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Liberation of Auschwitz and Holocaust Memorial Day (with Images) (Original Thread)


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RasherHash

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And when they were unable to do the work because of malnutrition and disease, what happened to them? What was, do you think, the point of the gas chambers? The nazis had a huge supply of people to carry out forced, unpaid, labour. They didn't need to keep their Jewish prisoners healthy and work fit. As soon as they were unfit for work they could be killed, die of disease, and be replaced. In fact the camps were not big enough to hold all the Jews they were rounding up as they took over most of mainland europe. That's why they started exterminating them as they became unfit for work
More lies, Pfeffer was sent to the sick bay in December 44, iow not exterminated when he fell ill.
 


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What it does do is give the lie to your daft statement that people were immediately put to death when they were unfit for work or that kids were put to death as they stepped off trains.

Do you now accept that people weren't immediately put to death when they were unfit for work and sometimes they were sent to the infirmary when they were ill as happened to Pfeffer?

Lets see if you can be honest :|
Well, we all know you cannot be honest, you don't know the meaning of the word Lain.



Holocaust | Concentration Camps
And further, with regard to the death camps, or killing centers:

Almost all of the deportees who arrived at these camps were sent immediately to death in the gas chambers (with the exception of very small numbers chosen for special work teams known as Sonderkommandos).
Killing Centers: An Overview
 

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What it does do is give the lie to your daft statement that people were immediately put to death when they were unfit for work or that kids were put to death as they stepped off trains.



Lets see if you can be honest :|
Yes, they were.
Newborn babies were immediately separated from their mother and drowned or
thrown into a sealed room until they died. Most of the time, this was done in
front of the mother. There are dozen of testimonies about children thrown alive
into the crematory, buried alive, poisoned, strangled, or drowned in
Ravensbrück. Several children were also used for sadistic "medical" experiments.
Hundreds of little girls, sometimes only 8, were sterilized by direct exposure
of genitals to X-rays. In the early months of Ravensbrück, children were
immediately killed
.
Ravensbrück Concentration Camp (Germany)
 

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There are various articles on the subject. This historian's book claims it stems from Germany's defeat in WW1 where Jews were involved in a revolution against the monarchy in 1918. This UN paper gives a background to Jewish history in Europe prior to WW". This excellent article emphasises embedded anti-Semitism, the need for a scapegoat and the idea that Jews were seen as unfairly privileged due to their success in medicine, law and the arts (this should be seen in the context of deep discrimination and lack of opportunity until the end of the 19th century). This article herehas a table showing how successful Jews were in German society in 1933 when they represented 0.7% of the population. This success led to resentment. My own belief is that Jewish people were so successful because when they were given an opportunity to be successful, they embraced education and hard work because those opportunities had been denied for centuries until the late 1800s. The general and accepted reasons for Nazi hatred of Jews appear to be inherent and historical anti-Semitism, need for a scapegoat and resentment of Jewish success and influence. This is an excellent portal into a wide variety of articles on the subject.
Rampant nepotism among Jews, ruthlessly favouring their own for advancement is a far more logical explanation of their success. The German middle classes were acutely aware that there was no point in even applying for a position if a Jew was deciding on who got the job. Jews themselves created an understandable resentment.
 

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More lies, Pfeffer was sent to the sick bay in December 44, iow not exterminated when he fell ill.
It matters not what the specifics of one case are, what matters is the totality of the crime and the overwhelming evidence that supports it.

No amount of nit-picking over one man can change that.
 

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Rampant nepotism among Jews, ruthlessly favouring their own for advancement is a far more logical explanation of their success. The German middle classes were acutely aware that there was no point in even applying for a position if a Jew was deciding on who got the job. Jews themselves created an understandable resentment.
Do you have any research on that? As they had been excluded from education and positions of power for centuries, they may have grabbed every opportunity presented to them. Even if your theory were true - that their nepotism created resentment in the German middle classes - it seems a rather flimsy justification for what subsequently happened.
 

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Rampant nepotism among Jews, ruthlessly favouring their own for advancement is a far more logical explanation of their success. The German middle classes were acutely aware that there was no point in even applying for a position if a Jew was deciding on who got the job. Jews themselves created an understandable resentment.
So nobody had any problem with Jews before the nineteenth century. Or maybe these folks.....
BBC - Religions - Judaism: York pogrom, 1190
The Inquisition | Jewish Virtual Library
Rhineland massacres - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This week in Jewish history

..were resentful that they couldn't get jobs
 

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Still cruisin' for "Likes" from the jackboot crowd, eh wolfie?

Good luck with that.
Unlike yourself I don't really care about "likes".

Yesterday you claimed I was another poster named Blaze and the day before you didn't just associate me with the "jackboot crowd" you said I was one of them; a Holocaust denier.

So which is it?

Either way you're still a liar without the decency to retract your lie.
 

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As for the consequences of Himmler's racial theories, I have, from personal observation and experience, nothing to say. Hitler and Himmler succeeded in keeping this part of their programme strictly secret.
An interesting statement by Heinz Guderian.
 

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An interesting statement by Heinz Guderian.
When did he make it, was it made of his own free will or was he tortured?

Link? :roll:
 

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Eichmann was kidnapped by Mossad, who are as likely as not to murder you, and brought to Israel where a show trial was convened that would lead to his death.

He was scared stiff and did all in his power to try and save his neck. He would have said anything at all in order to save himself and he had to design his defence in such a way as to try and satisfy the zionists that he wasn't responsible for any deaths. He was scared and very intimidated and his evidence cannot be relied on.
General opinion is that it was a fair trial. It was attended by journalists from all over the world. Eichmann had his own defence lawyers who went back to Germany and would have been able to publicise any unfairness in the proceedings.

Indeed, the whole trial seems now to be on Youtube. I have listened to two minutes - see below - and, in them, Eichmann denies the prosecution's claim that he expressed regret that not all of Hungary's Jews were killed. Seems a fair trial to me.

Have you any evidence to support the claim that the trial was not fair. If not, then we should take it as being fair. Hence, Eichmann's decision not to contest the existence of the Holocaust is very strong evidence that it (the Holocaust) happened.

[video=youtube;ctoJQ39Ba2I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctoJQ39Ba2I[/video]
 

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Letter to the editor by Prof. Israel Shahak (survivor of the Warsaw Ghetto) published on 19 May 1989 in Kol Ha'ir, Jerusalem.

"I disagree with the opinion of Haim Baram that the Israeli education system has managed to instil a "Holocaust awareness" in its pupils (Kol Ha'Ir 12.5.89). It's not an awareness of the Holocaust but rather the myth of the Holocaust or even a falsification of the Holocaust (in the sense that "a half-truth is worse than a lie") which has been instilled here.

As one who himself lived through the Holocaust, first in Warsaw then in Bergen-Belsen, I will give an immediate example of the total ignorance of daily life during the Holocaust. In the Warsaw ghetto, even during the period of the first massive extermination (June to October 1943), one saw almost no German soldiers. Nearly all the work of administration, and later the work of transporting hundreds of thousands of Jews to their deaths, was carried out by Jewish collaborators. Before the outbreak of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising (the planning of which only started after the extermination of the majority of Jews in Warsaw), the Jewish underground killed, with perfect justification, every Jewish collaborator they could find. If they had not done so the Uprising could never have started. The majority of the population of the Ghetto hated the collaborators far more than the German Nazis. Every Jewish child was taught, and this saved the lives of some of them "if you enter a square from which there are three exits, one guarded by a German SS man, one by an Ukrainian and one by a Jewish policeman, then you should first try to pass the German, and then maybe the Ukrainian, but never the Jew".

One of my own strongest memories is that, when the Jewish underground killed a despicable collaborator close to my home at the end of February 1943, I danced and sang around the still bleeding corpse together with the other children. I still do not regret this, quite the contrary.

It is clear that such events were not exclusive to the Jews, the entire Nazi success in easy and continued rule over millions of people stemmed from the subtle and diabolical use of collaborators, who did most of the dirty work for them. But does anybody now know about this? This, and not what is "instilled" was the reality. Of the Yad Vashem (official state Holocaust museum in Jerusalem — Ed.) theatre, I do not wish to speak at all. It, and its vile exploiting, such as honouring South Africa collaborators with the Nazis are truly beneath contempt.

Therefore, if we knew a little of the truth about the Holocaust, we would at least understand (with or without agreeing) why the Palestinians are now eliminating their collaborators. That is the only means they have if they wish to continue to struggle against our limb-breaking regime.

Kind regards,

[Israel Shahak]"
 

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Well you can go round the houses and try and twist things all you like, the fact is the Allied air attacks had destroyed the German infrastructure which led to shortages, which led to disease and the death of thousands.

Did the Germans care if the camp inmates suffered because of their policies? Not too much.

Did the Allies care if the camp inmates suffered because of their policies? Not too much.
Oh I'm not going around the houses at all. I'm just taking you up on your point that "The second photo is of people who died of typhus, it couldn't be the gas victims because they are supposed to have been cremated". You see, when you make a statement like that the only conclusion to take is that you mean/imply that the numbers of deaths at the hands of the Nazis was somehow less because so many of the Jews died of disease and weren't gassed. There's actually no other way to take the statement you made. My point is that the nazis were responsible for all the deaths of the Jews in their custody in the camps and ghettos.

Now, as I pointed out already, to follow your logic that the allied bombing led to disease and the deaths of inmates in the camps you would also have to show that the citizens of, oh let's see, Osweicim (3 KM from Auschwitz) and Krakow (one hour away from Auschwitz) suffered epidemics of typhus at the same time, if you claim that fresh water and food were in seriously short supply due to Allied air attacks. And you'd also have to show that the prison guards and their families who lived at the camps suffered and died from typhus.

Now the Germans didn't care if the prisoners suffered under Nazi policy. In fact they ensured the prisoners did suffer and die. They didn't care. They needed prisoners to die in order to have places for more Jews that were being shipped to the camps.

The Allies was a different story. They were more concerned about winning the war. The Nazi policy towards Jews was known from 1936 and nobody was doing anything to save the Jews. In fact all the countries (Ireland included) felt that German antisemitism was just a bad feature of a country they could otherwise deal with. The allied armies did not go to war to save Jews. None of which diminishes what the Nazis did. They were solely responsible for the plight of the Jews under their rule.
 

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When did he make it, was it made of his own free will or was he tortured?
Far from it. He was never charged with any crimes, was well received in Allied circles in the post war period and advised the new German government on military matters.
 

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What it does do is give the lie to your daft statement that people were immediately put to death when they were unfit for work or that kids were put to death as they stepped off trains.

Do you now accept that people weren't immediately put to death when they were unfit for work and sometimes they were sent to the infirmary when they were ill as happened to Pfeffer?

Lets see if you can be honest :|
People were immediately killed when they arrived at the camps. They were taken from the trains to the gas chambers. And children too young to work, or who were ill to work, were also put to death upon arrival at the camps. 1.5 million Jewish children died at the hands of the Nazis. That all the prisoners were not killed immediately upon arrival at the camps does not in any way take away from the fact that many were killed as soon as they arrived. And the photo you showed just shows people who were fit to work. But you don't say when they arrived at the camps, whether they had only been captured just prior to the liberation of the camps etc.
 
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