LIES of the "Repeal the 8th" Campaign

Maranatha

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Where should we begin?

Right at the top.. with the Liar in Chief.

The so-called Minister for "Health". Simon Harris.
Dail Abortion debate: 'We remember you Savita'.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/poli...vita-1.3421071

Simon Harris says he's remembering Savita. Does he remember the facts around Savita's tragic death? In the final analysis it had nothing to do with abortion at all.

He said he also remembers the "C" case. (The State forcedthe 13 year old in the case to have an abortion against the will of her parents using the “X” Case legislation as grounds to take her to England)! Yes the State failed her alright Simon by going against the wishes of her parents. You are purposefully adding to that failure. Shame on you! https://www.independent.ie/lifestyle...-29241584.html

Now onto the ABC Case. The ABC case was sponsored and organised by the Irish Family Planning Association. According to the Court, all three women suffered post-abortion complications. It should be noted that the complications were caused by the so-called ‘safe, legal abortion’ procedure in the UK, and not by any requirement to travel. Applicant A suffered profuse bleeding on her journey home and required an ambulance to meet her train; she also experienced pain, nausea and bleeding for weeks thereafter, and continues to struggle with depression. Applicant B started passing blood clots on her return to Ireland, and needed follow-up care. Applicant C suffered complications of an incomplete abortion, including prolonged bleeding and infection.

Harris should be terminated from his position as Minister for Health as it's impossible that he does not know the true facts of these high profile cases. Instead he is repeating media lies generated at the time. This is completely in line with Nazi Joseph Goebbels' dictum.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.... It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

Thankfully we have places like P.IE to tell the truth about these 21st century Nazis.
 
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statsman

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It's this a tit-for-tat thread, or just a tatty one?
 

mr_anderson

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Do we really need a new thread for this ?
Would be better to transfer it to the Abortion Zoo.
 

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Got the Nazis in there straight away. Well done.

Clearly you're right. Nazis were always renowned for their commitment to referendums.
 

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Veronica O'Keane:

Every person's mental health in Ireland has been damaged by the 8th.
 

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Note the difference. Youth Defence put out ads that were verifiable lies. Here we have someone disagreeing with the minister, who of course is not involved in any campaign. And it took a week since it's promise to open a thread and this.
 

Cellachán Chaisil

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Where should we begin?

Right at the top.. with the Liar in Chief.

The so-called Minister for "Health". Simon Harris.
Dail Abortion debate: 'We remember you Savita'.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/abortion-referendum/abortion-debate-we-remember-you-savita-1.3421071

Simon Harris says he's remembering Savita. Does he remember the facts around Savita's tragic death? It had absolutely nothing to do with abortion at all. Savita herself didn't want an abortion and was devastated that she was losing her baby.
Savita asked for an abortion several times after the difficulties had been discovered.

You're one to talk about lies.
 

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At the Committee:

Dr. Peter Boylan added “I agree with Professor Arulkumaran that all the evidence is that the rate of termination comes down once more liberalised legislation is introduced for all of the obvious reasons.”
This is more relevant to developing countries and not Ireland and Western Europe.





 

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Savita asked for an abortion several times after the difficulties had been discovered.

You're one to talk about lies.
Updated: According to the official medical report (P. 33) on Savita’s death:

O&G Consultant 1 stated that the patient and her husband were emotional and upset when told that a miscarriage was inevitable. The consultant stated that the patient and her husband enquired about the possibility of using medication to induce miscarriage as they indicated that they did not want a protracted waiting time when the outcome of miscarriage, was inevitable. At interview, O&G Registrar doctor 2 stated that the plan was to check the fetal heart and that the patient had asked on the 23rd of October about termination. O&G Consultant 1 stated that the patient and her husband were advised of Irish law in relation to this. At interview the consultant stated “Under Irish law, if there’s no evidence of risk to the life of the mother, our hands are tied so long as there’s a fetal heart”. The consultant stated that if risk to the mother was to increase a termination would have been possible, but that it would be based on actual risk and not a theoretical risk of infection “we can’t predict who is going to get an infection”.

Source: http://cdn.thejournal.ie/media/2013/06/savita-halappanavar-hse-report.pdf
 
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She was given the option to abort and declined it as she wanted to see if her baby would make it. Clearly you're not up to date on the case either. Not as big a deal though in your case as you're not the Minister for Health.
Prove it.

It was reported in many outlets that she asked for an abortion on numerous occasions during the ordeal that led to her death.
 

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She was given the option to abort and declined it as she wanted to see if her baby would make it. Clearly you're not up to date on the case either. Not as big a deal though in your case as you're not the Minister for Health.
Ah here. Do you think we were born yesterday?
 

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That fact is, it is the eighth that allowed the doctors in Savita's case to refuse to give her an abortion. Her rights to bodily integrity were ignored and that is why she is no longer with us today.
 

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That fact is, it is the eight that allowed the doctors in Savita's case to refuse to give her an abortion. Her rights to bodily integrity were ignored and that is why she is no longer with us today.
Correct.

Its curious that the more Catholic they are, the more outlandish the claims and stronger the refusal to budge. Dengles is king. TFM made a gibbon of himself on the mint thread, and now this flute. Impervious to facts the lot of them.
 

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Colm O'Gorman:

He said: “Countries with more liberal abortion laws generally have a lower rate of abortions. If you look at the European standards, one of the lowest rate of abortion in Europe is in the Netherlands where they have perhaps the most liberal abortion laws in Europe. So there is no evidence, in any way, to support the floodgates will be open, and in reality there is no solid evidence that in any way supports the idea that Ireland has lower abortion rates than in any other country in Europe. All the evidence suggests at least the opposite.”


 

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Prove it.

It was reported in many outlets that she asked for an abortion on numerous occasions during the ordeal that led to her death.
http://www.politics.ie/forum/media/201565-kitty-holland-defends-savita-death-story-after-admitting-praveens-account-may-muddled.html

Excerpt: Coleman: ...to what do you attribute the disparity between Praveen's assertion that the family asked for a termination and the fact that the hospital records contain...no requests for a termination.

Holland: ...we're relying all the time on their (Praveen and his solicitor) take on what happened...I don't know, that's a huge gap and if that is the case that a termination was requested and Praveen says that there were witnesses to the requests so that will all come out in the inquiry... we don't know if requests for a termination are recorded at all...
 

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That fact is, it is the eighth that allowed the doctors in Savita's case to refuse to give her an abortion. Her rights to bodily integrity were ignored and that is why she is no longer with us today.
This is completely false.
 

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Im mildly (but wavering) pro repeal ...but Ive heard the repeal side have 2 big stonkers afaik so far

1. Bacik Claimed Downs couldn't be diagnosed before 12 weeks ... a belter of a porker or astonishing ignorance ...Downs (and much else ) can be diagnosed from 10 weeks to a 99.99% accuracy

And
2. the FGer who chaired the committee said scans weren't conducted at 12 weeks but at 20 weeks ...wrong, it depends on the hospital and level of care , and for a 100 euro you can have it done at any time ...which nearly everyone that I know does from 12 weeks or before

cue abuse
 


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