Lights out, bendy bananas part deux

silverharp

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So the EU is introducing rules that theatres etc will have to scrap their old lighting and get new energy efficient lighting systems even though the technology isnt there yet. Generally the people who come up with these rules have never had real jobs, why this autistic attention to detail to a tiny energy use which wouldnt register in any national statistics. So the next time you go to the theatre enjoy the dull spectacular. :rolleyes: god forbid they ever regulate fire works displays

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/957021/brexit-news-eu-commission-regulations-uk-theatre-stage-lights

NEW bureaucratic rules from the European Union are threatening to seriously damage UK theatres and could fundamentally change the look of theatre productions and even risk leading to local and regional theatres being forced to close.
Brussels policy wonks are proposing to introduce new regulations which would force theatre companies to comply with the same lighting efficiency regulations as homes and office-based businesses.

The changes would mean certain lighting effects used in performances would be difficult to re-create in the future.

There are also concerns the new plans will force venues to replace the entirety of their lighting infrastructure, placing smaller local and regional theatres under significant financial stress.

Explaining her alarm at the proposed regulations, multiple award-winning lighting designer Paule Constable, said: “The deeper you read into these proposed regulations, the more alarming the threat becomes.
 


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So the EU is introducing rules that theatres etc will have to scrap their old lighting and get new energy efficient lighting systems even though the technology isnt there yet. Generally the people who come up with these rules have never had real jobs, why this autistic attention to detail to a tiny energy use which wouldnt register in any national statistics. So the next time you go to the theatre enjoy the dull spectacular. :rolleyes: god forbid they ever regulate fire works displays

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/957021/brexit-news-eu-commission-regulations-uk-theatre-stage-lights
What was the last play you went to see?
 

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The EU have published a consultation paper that may or may not lead to a directive. If Paule Constable has concerns she should take them to the EU instead of the Daily Express, because that, amazingly enough, is what the consultation stage of the process if for.
 

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dont do twittering nonsense
EU?
All this banana republic needs now is a regulator for all the useless "regulators" and "authorities" for this and that, staffed by incompetents.
Place has become a joke
 

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One about a crazed jihadi from Molenbek suicide bombing the Commission building and taking out Junker and a few others. It was brilliant.
Oh so you are actually the same poster. Thought so.
 

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So the EU is introducing rules that theatres etc will have to scrap their old lighting and get new energy efficient lighting systems even though the technology isnt there yet. Generally the people who come up with these rules have never had real jobs, why this autistic attention to detail to a tiny energy use which wouldnt register in any national statistics. So the next time you go to the theatre enjoy the dull spectacular. :rolleyes: god forbid they ever regulate fire works displays

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/957021/brexit-news-eu-commission-regulations-uk-theatre-stage-lights
You may not have heard this, but the Brits are about to leave the EU.
They won't be affected by EU directives any more after that, they'll make their own laws.
 

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So the EU is introducing rules that theatres etc will have to scrap their old lighting and get new energy efficient lighting systems even though the technology isnt there yet. Generally the people who come up with these rules have never had real jobs, why this autistic attention to detail to a tiny energy use which wouldnt register in any national statistics. So the next time you go to the theatre enjoy the dull spectacular. :rolleyes: god forbid they ever regulate fire works displays

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/957021/brexit-news-eu-commission-regulations-uk-theatre-stage-lights
They are getting too much free drink in Brussels.........
 

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You may not have heard this, but the Brits are about to leave the EU.
They won't be affected by EU directives any more after that, they'll make their own laws.
according to sky news they still will be, the ironing of it
 

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Forgive me, lord Jesus, but for once silverharp is not entirely wrong. The EU is seeking to ban the use of tungsten halogen lamps in theatres, which were specifically exempted from the general ban on sale introduced in 2009.

Tungsten halogen lamps are not the only type of lighting used in theatres, but they are necessary for certain effects which cannot currently be reproduced by LED lighting. They are not lime-light - they produce a warm natural glow.

Theatre associations across Europe are campaigning to retain the current exemption because the power used is low, given the lights are dimmed and a performance only lasts a couple of hours.

The relevance to a post-Brexit UK is that the British market is too small to justify production just for the UK at all. Phillips is the main manufacturer and gave Europe-wide undertakings it would continue producing halogen tungsten lamps for theatres because of the exemption although they make no profit from them.

It is an absolute luvvy story and of course they will win.

*Theatre fan*
 

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Forgive me, lord Jesus, but for once silverharp is not entirely wrong. The EU is seeking to ban the use of tungsten halogen lamps in theatres, which were specifically exempted from the general ban on sale introduced in 2009.

Tungsten halogen lamps are not the only type of lighting used in theatres, but they are necessary for certain effects which cannot currently be reproduced by LED lighting. They are not lime-light - they produce a warm natural glow.

Theatre associations across Europe are campaigning to retain the current exemption because the power used is low, given the lights are dimmed and a performance only lasts a couple of hours.

The relevance to a post-Brexit UK is that the British market is too small to justify production just for the UK at all. Phillips is the main manufacturer and gave Europe-wide undertakings it would continue producing halogen tungsten lamps for theatres because of the exemption although they make no profit from them.

It is an absolute luvvy story and of course they will win.

*Theatre fan*
Ok fair enough, though I don't get the bit in bold - don't the US and lots of other non EU countries have theatres too?
Isn't that the point about Brexit, that the whole world can be used for sourcing/selling products?
 

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The EU have published a consultation paper that may or may not lead to a directive.
You mean the first 6 words of Silver’s Op is factually inaccurate? And that the subsequent assumptions based on the faulty premiere are invalid? Oh I’m sure he’ll fix that right up.
 

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Ok fair enough, though I don't get the bit in bold - don't the US and lots of other non EU countries have theatres too?
Isn't that the point about Brexit, that the whole world can be used for sourcing/selling products?
LOL, these lamps are already produced at a loss as a favour to the entertainment industry in Europe.

If you want me to go really nerdy on you, the USA uses quartz-halogen lamps, not exactly the same thing, and does not source them in Europe. That is why one of the first things theatre-rats notice when they see their first Broadway show is how brilliant the lighting is compared to a London production.
 

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You mean the first 6 words of Silver’s Op is factually inaccurate? And that the subsequent assumptions based on the faulty premiere are invalid? Oh I’m sure he’ll fix that right up.
Sync, you have been a victim of auto-correct.

Please call 1800-GooglePFO for assistance.
 

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LOL, these lamps are already produced at a loss as a favour to the entertainment industry in Europe.

If you want me to go really nerdy on you, the USA uses quartz-halogen lamps, not exactly the same thing, and does not source them in Europe. That is why one of the first things theatre-rats notice when they see their first Broadway show is how brilliant the lighting is compared to a London production.
So the UK can use those, right? And EU theatres can go back to candle light or whatever until technology catches up with their ecofriendly aspirations. Point being that it's hardly something for the Express to get worked up about.

Much like the bendy bananas in fact.
 

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So the UK can use those, right? And EU theatres can go back to candle light or whatever until technology catches up with their ecofriendly aspirations. Point being that it's hardly something for the Express to get worked up about.

Much like the bendy bananas in fact.
Well they could import quartz halogen lamps from the US but (a) it would cost them and (b) it would in all likelihood breach current safety regulations. I dont think British lighting directors have much experience with them anyway.

The point is - it is the EU that has protected the use of these lamps, and European manufacturers which have agreed to supply them below cost. I do not believe this will change at all. The Express totally misreported what the lamps were, their function or indeed the consultative process involved.

Even if a ban were brought in, no theatre would go dark.
 

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Walk into a room.

Switch on the ‘light’.

And wait for the weak background glow to kick in.

Energy saving bulbs definitely save on energy.

Light energy being the main one.
 

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Ok fair enough, though I don't get the bit in bold - don't the US and lots of other non EU countries have theatres too?
Isn't that the point about Brexit, that the whole world can be used for sourcing/selling products?
The purpose of Brexit in the mind of those such as Rees Mogg is the dream that Britain can go back to importing ultra cheap modern slave/child labour produced clothes and regulation free food for it’s poorer masses to keep them comatosed and slave/child labour sourced raw materials for a few big new-industrialists who can then produce regulation free final goods such as arnaments for their tin pot dictator mates in the Commonwealth and thereby restore the Glorious Lost Empire.
 


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