Limerick "gangland" trial date set.

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The trial of persons involved in "gangland" crime will go ahead next March before the Special Criminal Court. This trial will make use of the recently enacted legislation providing trial without jury at the direction of the DPP.

Trial date fixed for eight Limerick men charged with gang-related offences | BreakingNews.ie

Should be noted that the trials are to be simultaneous. Whether an application for seperate trials was made I know not, but it appears the prosecution are hoping for some form of "cut-throat" defence (though it's unlikely to happen) where at least one of the accused will blame the others which, invariably, leads to all of the accused being convicted.
 


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8 bullets would be a lot cheaper than a trial.

Just my opinion.
 

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The trial of persons involved in "gangland" crime will go ahead next March before the Special Criminal Court. This trial will make use of the recently enacted legislation providing trial without jury at the direction of the DPP.

Trial date fixed for eight Limerick men charged with gang-related offences | BreakingNews.ie

Should be noted that the trials are to be simultaneous. Whether an application for seperate trials was made I know not, but it appears the prosecution are hoping for some form of "cut-throat" defence (though it's unlikely to happen) where at least one of the accused will blame the others which, invariably, leads to all of the accused being convicted.
They don't have a case in a jury trial so lets cut out the middle man.

Sounds fair alright :shock:.

Talk about shifting the goalposts.
 

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They don't have a case in a jury trial so lets cut out the middle man.

Sounds fair alright :shock:.

Talk about shifting the goalposts.
Aye . The biggest problem with this kind of 'populist justice' is that the 'scumbags' may be seen as victims by their peers. Also isnt there a good chance of them appealing successfully in Europe ? Im not a legal eagle but surely they have a case?
 

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Aye . The biggest problem with this kind of 'populist justice' is that the 'scumbags' may be seen as victims by their peers. Also isnt there a good chance of them appealing successfully in Europe ? Im not a legal eagle but surely they have a case?
I'm not sure of any past cases on this point but there have been non-jury trials before haven't there? Here and in England. The Constitution makes specific provision for it. If there was a problem with it from a European perspective, we'd know it by now.

The EU definitely isn't going to get involved in our right to trial by jury, and as for the ECHR, they cannot strike down legislation.
 

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I'm not sure of any past cases on this point but there have been non-jury trials before haven't there? Here and in England. The Constitution makes specific provision for it. If there was a problem with it from a European perspective, we'd know it by now.

The EU definitely isn't going to get involved in our right to trial by jury, and as for the ECHR, they cannot strike down legislation.
There is no problem with having trials by jury or trials by judge alone, in European terms. The only issue, and where they have a possible case, is the absolute discretion, without reason, of the DPP to direct one or the another.
 
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Before i make the following statement, i want to make it clear that i do not think that these people are inocent, they are scumbags, and dont have any respect for anything, others, their country, and so on. I hope they do serious time for the crimes they have committed, and the lives they have ruined.

My only problem is that, It clearly states in the consitution of Eire, that every man is entitled to a jury of their peers in court.

Ok, fair enough, i know there was intimidation happening and this was wide spread, and seen many get off due to it. But i fear that if this goes ahead, and nothing is done about it, just wait for 10 15 years down the line, when you could quite possibly see any joe soap getting a trail with no jury. As time goes on then it will become the norm. I cant allow that to happen, for the sake of my unborn children.

Why cant the state provide a proper service to the jury and victims, instead of taking short cuts and denying the citizens their rights as clearly written in the consitution.

I have seen mad things happen in my locality, certain men getting arrested week in week out for assault, intimidation, theft, breach of the peace, and so on, and getting out of the cop shop next day with a few charges pending, even though they were on bail from the week before. Why wasnt the bail just revoked, and them locked up until their trail.

As for intimidation, if it is reported it should be made a priority for the garda to deal with it, and anyone that is involved should face serious charges and not just be let out to do the same thing again the next day.

The reason they dont do this, IMHO, is that its easier to erase the rights of the citizens and let on that they are doing it for the citizens own good. and of course you have the gulable citizens who believe most of what they are told who then just sit back and give the new idea the nod of approval, until that is, it comes back to bit them in the arse.

Its time to wake up, the government are slowly but surely erasing the rights of the people of Eire, and are not acting within the consitution of the land.
 
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can i add to that also, i wonder could FF be veiwed as a gang? they are a group of more than 4, and they have committed some serious white collar crime over the past decade......uhmmmmm maybe we migt see all the cronies getting a trail with no jury......i wont hold my breath though!
 

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can i add to that also, i wonder could FF be veiwed as a gang? they are a group of more than 4, and they have committed some serious white collar crime over the past decade......uhmmmmm maybe we migt see all the cronies getting a trail with no jury......i wont hold my breath though!
a trial with no jury and a FF appointed judge. No conflict of interest there..
 

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Is this really necessary? The constitution states that the "special courts" can only be used where the ordinary courts are 'inadequate to secure the effective administration of justice, and the preservation of public peace and order'.

Now while there was, and probably still is, a very valid argument that the republican terrorist groups that not only do not recognise the state, but actively campaigned to have it overthrown need to be dealt with using special courts, but the gangs in Limerick have no such desire and merely want to make money selling drugs to their very willing market in the crappy estates in the city centre and inner suburbs.

The idea that "public peace and order" cannot be preserved in Limerick - never mind nationally - if these characters are tried by a jury is not borne out by the facts. Things aren't that bad, and are certainly not 1970's border campaign bad, or 1940's "Emergency" bad.
 

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a trial with no jury and a FF appointed judge. No conflict of interest there..
It will be a three Judge court and the Executive have absolutely no say as to the composition of the court.
 

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It will be a three Judge court and the Executive have absolutely no say as to the composition of the court.
not for the Limerick scumbags. I was replying to a Poster who suggested FF (an organisation also with a few well known Limerick scumbags) should be tried as a gang
 

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but the gangs in Limerick have no such desire and merely want to make money selling drugs to their very willing market in the crappy estates in the city centre and inner suburbs.
Is that all they want?

I could have sworn they were murdering innocent citizens, threatening good people living in their areas (crappy estates as you call them) and people trying to move out, harassing and threatening juries etc etc
 

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Is that all they want?

I could have sworn they were murdering innocent citizens, threatening good people living in their areas (crappy estates as you call them) and people trying to move out, harassing and threatening juries etc etc
They are not sworn to overthrow the state, instead they are violent thugs and their gang members kill for money, not for Ireland.

And yes, sadly, they are crappy areas. The good people living there were abandoned by the state years ago and only now, with the regeneration, are they attempting to put in the facilities that should have always been there.
 

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How long will they have been on remand for by the time the case comes to trial? The State clearly has no evidence and is hoping on internal disagreements among the accused to secure convictions.
 


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