Little social or economic change for Republican Belfast.

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Discrimination against "Nationalist"/Republican/"Cafalick" continues despite the wails of oh-so knowledgable southners that everything is now fine in the (still occupied) six counties.

"Stormont Politicans alongside, local Councillors' have been well-placed to assert the rights of the working-class from North Belfast. To date they have failed to develop or deliver adequate social and affordable housing. Not only does the Housing Executive discriminate against Nationalist residents, it's waiting list is dominated by Nationalists.
Local families are forced to rent private accommadation where they are charged high rent by insensitive Landlords who almost never make properties habital nor repair them.
Unsurprisingly, every leisure centre, swimming pools and large supermarkets are located in Unionist areas of North Belfast is also no mistake. Provisional Sinn Fein have promised us equal treatment for decades but to no avail, even though they hold the majority of seats in Belfast City Council...."
 


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Yeah let's listen to the "Ardoyne Republican" he seems to be a top notch socio-economic commentator....

 

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Ardoyne Republican sounds just like the white fascists in England there with his themmuns (blacks/muslims/asylum seekers/etc) get all the best housing, their areas get all the investment and all the best facilities, all we ask is fair treatment for the indigenous white working class people yarn he is spinning.
 

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Every bit of land that becomes free in nationalist areas of n. Belfast is allocated for housing. Not sure why a leisure centre hasn't appeared yet (it's an age old gripe). Probably becasue the council loses a load of money on the ones that are there.

But leisure centres and shopping do exist in other parts of N Belfast and are used by a wide range of people. Unfortunately the agenda of Ardoyne Republican and co involves stirring up sectarian tension and keeping people in their 'ghettoes'. They're easier to control that way.

As for jobs, inward investment, etc the recent riot siuation that AR was centrally involved in exploiting did wonders for the image of north Belfast :rolleyes: The hypocrisy is staggering - but probably lost on him.
 
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Discrimination against "Nationalist"/Republican/"Cafalick" continues despite the wails of oh-so knowledgable southners that everything is now fine in the (still occupied) six counties.

"Stormont Politicans alongside, local Councillors' have been well-placed to assert the rights of the working-class from North Belfast. To date they have failed to develop or deliver adequate social and affordable housing. Not only does the Housing Executive discriminate against Nationalist residents, it's waiting list is dominated by Nationalists.
Local families are forced to rent private accommadation where they are charged high rent by insensitive Landlords who almost never make properties habital nor repair them.
Unsurprisingly, every leisure centre, swimming pools and large supermarkets are located in Unionist areas of North Belfast is also no mistake. Provisional Sinn Fein have promised us equal treatment for decades but to no avail, even though they hold the majority of seats in Belfast City Council...."
Bla Bla Bla £2.70 gets you a bus day ticket to travel all day long around the Greater Belfast area. But that would mean spending some leisure time with Unionists or going up the Falls. Lack of social housing? Its not the fault of Unionists that Nationalists in the past had to many babies that can't now be housed in the inner city. North Belfast Nationalists faced with lack of housing in the inner city moved up the Antrim road to Glengormley and other parts of Newtownabbey. At lest the ones with any sense did.
 
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You've got to question the logic of this idea that nationalist areas are hard done by.
Unless you think that communities should have all the facilities right in their own little walled off world like Ardoyne or Short Strand.
There's a giant Tesco just down the road from Ardoyne, and the Ballysillan leisure centre is just a bit further up from Holly Cross school. Can you blame the council for the problems of sectarianism that exists if people don't feel comfortable walking to such places just nearby?

The sad thing about the Falls leisure centre, is that they have the Shankill one just a couple of hundred yards from it. But they needed two centres I guess.
 

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You've got to question the logic of this idea that nationalist areas are hard done by.
Unless you think that communities should have all the facilities right in their own little walled off world like Ardoyne or Short Strand.
There's a giant Tesco just down the road from Ardoyne, and the Ballysillan leisure centre is just a bit further up from Holly Cross school. Can you blame the council for the problems of sectarianism that exists if people don't feel comfortable walking to such places just nearby?

The sad thing about the Falls leisure centre, is that they have the Shankill one just a couple of hundred yards from it
. But they needed two centres I guess.
Separate but equal ?
 

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You've got to question the logic of this idea that nationalist areas are hard done by.
Unless you think that communities should have all the facilities right in their own little walled off world like Ardoyne or Short Strand.
There's a giant Tesco just down the road from Ardoyne, and the Ballysillan leisure centre is just a bit further up from Holly Cross school. Can you blame the council for the problems of sectarianism that exists if people don't feel comfortable walking to such places just nearby?

The sad thing about the Falls leisure centre, is that they have the Shankill one just a couple of hundred yards from it. But they needed two centres I guess.
Oh the irony of it.
 

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The sad thing is Sevenstars probably reads this and believes it.

Much more credible to check out the facts but obviously less sensationalist
 

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And imagine if everyone could get on with one and other SS you could all make use of the facilities regardless...what a strange little world you live in honey xx
 

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Reading over the comments on this thread was depressing but typical.

However they go more than a long way to justify the recent Ardoyne rebellion and the continuing activity of the IRA.
 

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Reading over the comments on this thread was depressing but typical.

However they go more than a long way to justify the recent Ardoyne rebellion and the continuing activity of the IRA.
No they don't. The militarist faction is interested in miltarism, segregation and in enforcing its limited power over communities. Social and economic issues make convenient propaganda but, other than giving their 'volunteers' the oppotunity to use their guns on a few druggies, these guys are not interested in tackling social and economic issues.
 

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No they don't. The militarist faction is interested in miltarism, segregation and in enforcing its limited power over communities. Social and economic issues make convenient propaganda but, other than giving their 'volunteers' the oppotunity to use their guns on a few druggies, these guys are not interested in tackling social and economic issues.
+1

If they had any interest in making a point, the pen is mightier than the swords and there is ways of protesting peacefully. Of course that SS is a totally alien idea
 

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The irony of the Ballysillan leisure centre being just outside the nationalist Ardoyne hood?
Is that what you meant?
To me there's not much irony in that.
While arguing that facilities were easily available for people from places such as Ardoyne you made the point that Ballysillan leisuee centre was just past Holy Cross school. You may (or may not) remember a dispute about access to that particular school which saw young girls being subject to unimaginable abuse from local salt-of-the-earth types who were trying to prevent them from accessing the school.

That's why I said your comments was full of (unintended) irony. You actually made AR's point for him.
 


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