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Liveline Today's Whinge! Shopkeeper squeezed by bigger multiples.


potholedogger

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Whinge Whinge Whinge

Shopkeeper is staying open to provide service to community. He is making no money.

Five pubs close in one week in one Carlow.

Too many pubs! too many shops!

It must be good if consumers can spend less on their groceries. It means they can spend more on other things.

It is all gravy for Joe on his huge salary!

Can this be public service broadcasting?
 
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Victor Meldrew

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Retail is very cut-throat. Multiples will actively stamp out competitors. When a guy opened a fish shop nead me, the managers in the local supermarket marched down to take down all his prices and undercut them. Irrespective if it means they are losing money on the Tuna steaks, they want rid.

The other villans in this are the landlords and us citizens who consider that businesses should pay commercial rates, but we should not pay local taxes.

But that view will not be popular no doubt...
 

Kerrygold

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Whinge Whinge Whinge

Shopkeeper is staying open to provide service to community. He is making no money.

Five pubs close in one week in one town.

Too many pubs! too many shops!

It must be good if consumers can spend less on their groceries. It means they can spend more on other things.

It is all gravy for Joe on his huge salary!

Can this be public service broadcasting?
Why don't you ring Joe Duffy and...

Oh wait...
 

potholedogger

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There is a time to close a business and move on.

All the better is we are drinking less!

Joe goes to take an add break and que add for Lidl!
 
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Retail is very cut-throat. Multiples will actively stamp out competitors. When a guy opened a fish shop nead me, the managers in the local supermarket marched down to take down all his prices and undercut them. Irrespective if it means they are losing money on the Tuna steaks, they want rid.

The other villans in this are the landlords and us citizens who consider that businesses should pay commercial rates, but we should not pay local taxes.

But that view will not be popular no doubt...
And then we are left with ghost towns surrounded by soulless shopping centers. But difficult to see that clearly in the midst of a recession when every penny counts.
 

SeanieFitz

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Posters on this site lllloooooooove to criticise Talk to Joe, loads of threads re Liveline with endless posts that ridicule/sneer at the content of his show, i believe that some posters try to give the impression that they are above all that kinda thing. in the same way as that anyone that mentions something from the Sunday World will preface their comment by saying "i read in the Sunday World, didn't buy it myself but it was in the waiting room of....or in the in-laws house.. or the neighbour had it etc", a kind of a snobbish attitude if you like.
For a show that seems to be so disliked it sure seems we have a lot of listeners on this site!

Why shouldn't business people that employ staff, pay tax and rates, sponsor local clubs (which the multiples never do, with the exception of super valu maybe) be allowed to voice their concerns? that is what public broadcasting should be about, imo.
 

H.R. Haldeman

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What is being described is Bertie's Ireland.

Newsagents needing dozens of State licences costing thousands of €'s just to open the door. Newsagents ffs!

Rates and rents that are so high it's scarcely conceivable how turnover can meet them. Owner of Castle Inn in Rathfarnham on saying he's not paying his full rates cause he can't afford them. Pub's been there 54 years.

Out of town shopping centres closing local businesses by the dozen in small towns.

Second highest minimum wage in Europe...and Heads of County Councils earning more than many European Prime Ministers. For that matter, Heads of fking HR at County Councils probably earning more than some Euro PM's!

This is Bertie Ahern's crony capitalist nightmare.

....

For all the whinging about LiveLine, the publican and shop owner here have been quite superb in expressing the issues. Fair play to both of them.
 

Interista

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Retail is very cut-throat. Multiples will actively stamp out competitors. When a guy opened a fish shop nead me, the managers in the local supermarket marched down to take down all his prices and undercut them. Irrespective if it means they are losing money on the Tuna steaks, they want rid.
This is true. In the short term, you might save a few bob by shopping in the big supermarkets, but in the longer term, they are attempting to have a monopoly in which they set the prices - for their benefit, of course, not that of the consumer.
 

potholedogger

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This is true. In the short term, you might save a few bob by shopping in the big supermarkets, but in the longer term, they are attempting to have a monopoly in which they set the prices - for their benefit, of course, not that of the consumer.
Urban consumers are better placed to take advantage of competitive prices in multiples. Rural consumers are paying much more for their food and groceries.
 

Clanrickard

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Posters on this site lllloooooooove to criticise Talk to Joe, loads of threads re Liveline with endless posts that ridicule/sneer at the content of his show, i believe that some posters try to give the impression that they are above all that kinda thing. in the same way as that anyone that mentions something from the Sunday World will preface their comment by saying "i read in the Sunday World, didn't buy it myself but it was in the waiting room of....or in the in-laws house.. or the neighbour had it etc", a kind of a snobbish attitude if you like.
For a show that seems to be so disliked it sure seems we have a lot of listeners on this site!

Why shouldn't business people that employ staff, pay tax and rates, sponsor local clubs (which the multiples never do, with the exception of super valu maybe) be allowed to voice their concerns? that is what public broadcasting should be about, imo.
Where the hell do you think you are going with a well thought out informative post! Shop keepers are ripping eeevvvveeerryyyyyooonneeee off right left and centre! So there!
 

tigerben

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Small shops just can't compete with larger stores. Last week one morning I needed milk and the local Supervalu is open at 7 in the morning, two litre milk 1.49, but I seen the smaller shop opened so went there 2.55 for the milk. I was acually shocked for that price in Hurleys I could have got a slice pan as well as the milk and had 6 cent left over.
 

potholedogger

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Small shops just can't compete with larger stores. Last week one morning I needed milk and the local Supervalu is open at 7 in the morning, two litre milk 1.49, but I seen the smaller shop opened so went there 2.55 for the milk. I was acually shocked for that price in Hurleys I could have got a slice pan as well as the milk and had 6 cent left over.
The farmer gets about €0.60 for two litres of milk. I paid €2.70 for two litres of milk in a small shop recently.
 

H.R. Haldeman

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This guy talking about the Property Service Regulatory Authority (which he's confusing with another quango - the PTRB - which in itself is funny) is charging his business €1,700 pa for a licence.

I'm just wondering how much of the PSRA's work is processing that payment - taking in completed forms, entering the names and addresses onto their database, keeping up that database, processing the payments, checking payments against known businesses liable for the charge, chasing down those who haven't paid, finding people who should be paying and aren't.

They could spend the whole day in a circle-jerk justifying their own existence.
 

Dunlin3

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Small shops just can't compete with larger stores. Last week one morning I needed milk and the local Supervalu is open at 7 in the morning, two litre milk 1.49, but I seen the smaller shop opened so went there 2.55 for the milk. I was acually shocked for that price in Hurleys I could have got a slice pan as well as the milk and had 6 cent left over.
Even with Supervalu you will see big price variations. Their own brand milk is significantly cheaper than the branded ones.
 

SeanieFitz

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Even with Supervalu you will see big price variations. Their own brand milk is significantly cheaper than the branded ones.
There was some fella (sorry for being vague) discussing the motor trade on the radio this week with Matt Cooper (i think) and he was commenting on how difficult it was to carry on, the difference in the number of dealers per capita between Ireland and UK etc.

For some reason the discussion turned to "branded goods" and he said that, internationally, Ireland was known as "Treasure Island" due to our love affair with branded goods. We have a tendency to go for the branded product even though it would be more expensive than non branded.

It is so easy to shop in a multiple with almost everything under the one roof. What I try to do is get fruit/veg in a fruit and veg shop, meat from a butcher (even though they are all buying from the one supplier now as they rarely have an abattoir), bread/cakes (mmmmmmmm) from a local bakery etc. I also shop a lot in Super Valu as they do tend to stock Irish products and support/sponsor local clubs. Basically I try to buy Irish where ever possible and within reason.
Some of the owner operated "mom and pop" stores seem to be doing v well as they have adjusted somewhat, shops supplying good coffee, deli products, hot food seem to be coping well.
 

beazlebottom

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What is being described is Bertie's Ireland.

Newsagents needing dozens of State licences costing thousands of €'s just to open the door. Newsagents ffs!

Rates and rents that are so high it's scarcely conceivable how turnover can meet them. Owner of Castle Inn in Rathfarnham on saying he's not paying his full rates cause he can't afford them. Pub's been there 54 years.

Out of town shopping centres closing local businesses by the dozen in small towns.

Second highest minimum wage in Europe...and Heads of County Councils earning more than many European Prime Ministers. For that matter, Heads of fking HR at County Councils probably earning more than some Euro PM's!

This is Bertie Ahern's crony capitalist nightmare.

....

For all the whinging about LiveLine, the publican and shop owner here have been quite superb in expressing the issues. Fair play to both of them.
and Bertie was a Socialist! He has almost single handedly destroyed the enterprise economy and created one great bit dependancy culture where the State owes everyone a living and the State sucks the blood out of people of initiative and enterprise. Thanks you great big yellow trousered gobsh**e.
 

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There is a time to close a business and move on.

All the better is we are drinking less!

Joe goes to take an add break and que add for Lidl!
Not so sure we're drinking less, just in different surroundings.
 

tigerben

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Basically I try to buy Irish where ever possible and within reason

Ya and with Supervalu it tells you how much spent on Irish product. I spent 152€ this week (selection boxes, 20€ phone credit as extras) and 71€ was on Irish goods.
 

Hewson

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and Bertie was a Socialist! He has almost single handedly destroyed the enterprise economy and created one great bit dependancy culture where the State owes everyone a living and the State sucks the blood out of people of initiative and enterprise. Thanks you great big yellow trousered gobsh**e.
Bertie was a Socialist like I'm a cheerleader's knickers. Bertie was whatever he thought people wanted him to be before an election, a master stroker, a grade A, 24 carat, dyed-in-the-wool fraud and charlatan. He bought popularity and elections without spending a cent out of his own pocket, wrecked the future prospects of a generation by overpaying for cheap platitudes in the present.

It's a pity there isn't a Saddam-like statue of him somewhere in Dublin. Hauling it down would give pleasure to thousands.
 
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