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Liverpool Protestant Party


FloatingVoterTralee

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For historical and cultural reasons, the inclination is to have considered Liverpool a friendly environment for Irish immigrants, but there was also a great deal of antagonism among native English Protestants, with the city being a stronghold of the English Orange Order. One aspect that has gone largely unregarded was the Liverpool Protestant Party, which sought to promote religious interests in employment and politics. Perhaps the most surprising fact is that the Protestant Party contested elections right up until 1974, so tensions between the Irish and English communities remained heightened until well within living memory.
 


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History throws up some interesting nuggets. Two of the biggest riots in American history took place in New York City in 1870 and 1871 when Catholic Irish immigrants and Irish Protestant Orange marchers clashed: mass violence and 8 deaths occurred in 1870, 60 civilians and three U.S. soldiers died in 1871; the Orange Order disappeared from NYC shortly thereafter and Irish Catholics took over Tammany.
 

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Having parties based on religious affiliation is nothing new - indeed there are/were far more Catholic parties around the world than Protestant ones (many if not most openly fascist).
 

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Having parties based on religious affiliation is nothing new - indeed there are/were far more Catholic parties around the world than Protestant ones (many if not most openly fascist).
Perhaps because there are more catholics than protestants in the world?
 

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Perhaps because there are more catholics than protestants in the world?
Probably - and the fact that the Catholic hierarchy was much more inclined to align itself with fascist and other far-right elements.
 

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For historical and cultural reasons, the inclination is to have considered Liverpool a friendly environment for Irish immigrants, but there was also a great deal of antagonism among native English Protestants, with the city being a stronghold of the English Orange Order. One aspect that has gone largely unregarded was the Liverpool Protestant Party, which sought to promote religious interests in employment and politics. Perhaps the most surprising fact is that the Protestant Party contested elections right up until 1974, so tensions between the Irish and English communities remained heightened until well within living memory.
There is still a hint of this in Liverpool society. There are still lodges, a twelfth and occasional bits of graffiti. There is also a large catholic community but less Irish by identity than it once was.
 

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For historical and cultural reasons, the inclination is to have considered Liverpool a friendly environment for Irish immigrants, but there was also a great deal of antagonism among native English Protestants, with the city being a stronghold of the English Orange Order. One aspect that has gone largely unregarded was the Liverpool Protestant Party, which sought to promote religious interests in employment and politics. Perhaps the most surprising fact is that the Protestant Party contested elections right up until 1974, so tensions between the Irish and English communities remained heightened until well within living memory.
When the poor turn on each other its not very nice. Throw into the mix some 17th century conspiracy theories and the fact that the only moral requirement for protestants is to read the (King James) bible and you have a nasty bitter broth.
 

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Having parties based on religious affiliation is nothing new - indeed there are/were far more Catholic parties around the world than Protestant ones (many if not most openly fascist).
Could this whataboutery have anything to do with the fact that the Socialist party and other far left parties rub shoulders with the anti-catholic far left in the UK. Could we even go further and say the Irish Socialist Party is merely a sidekick of the British far left.
 

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Being a Roman Catholic school, religion played a large part in our school
life. Pop Moran even tried to turn me off football at Anfield – Catholics
were traditionally Everton supporters and players, Liverpool were the
Protestant team. Pop honestly thought that being a Catholic I wouldn’t be
happy at Anfield
– Tommy Smith
 

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Indeed in its heydey Everton-Liverpool sectarianism would have given Celtic-Rangers a run for its money. The word KOP means King over Pope.
Total sh1te it means Hill

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Indeed in its heydey Everton-Liverpool sectarianism would have given Celtic-Rangers a run for its money. The word KOP means King over Pope.
ballix (as others have pointed out) however the founder of both the bitters (everton) and LFC was an orangeman...
 

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The Orange Order continues to be quite active in Liverpool, AFAIK. Some years ago I encountered a march in Merseyside, they were noticeably aggressive
 

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For historical and cultural reasons, the inclination is to have considered Liverpool a friendly environment for Irish immigrants, but there was also a great deal of antagonism among native English Protestants, with the city being a stronghold of the English Orange Order. One aspect that has gone largely unregarded was the Liverpool Protestant Party, which sought to promote religious interests in employment and politics. Perhaps the most surprising fact is that the Protestant Party contested elections right up until 1974, so tensions between the Irish and English communities remained heightened until well within living memory.
Not so much native English bigotry at play.

Liverpool & many Scottish areas had persistent & overt sectarian issues, because they all had mass Irish immigration from every faith & none, who competed for jobs, in the good & bad times.

Liverpool Protestants [SUP][SUB]the bigots being those pathetic fanny's who have no real Christian faith but like to march up & down & barking[/SUB][/SUP] are also usually descended from Ireland, many of the rest are of Welsh origins.

Places like Cardiff & London & Manchester & Newcastle & Luton which also had very high numbers of Irish immigrants, tended to be Irish Catholic or Irish of no faith [SUP][SUB]Political or BS[/SUB][/SUP].
 

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Could this whataboutery have anything to do with the fact that the Socialist party and other far left parties rub shoulders with the anti-catholic far left in the UK. Could we even go further and say the Irish Socialist Party is merely a sidekick of the British far left.
Nothing new here from you SS - of course the fact that you are unable to refute the close association of the Catholic hierarchy with fascism says it all.

Indeed in its heydey Everton-Liverpool sectarianism would have given Celtic-Rangers a run for its money. The word KOP means King over Pope.
This is actually bullsh*t - there has never been any sectarian rivalry between Liverpool and Everton supporters - both clubs would have more connections with the Methodist Church than any other. The split between Everton and Liverpool dates back local politics between the Liberals and Tories in the late 19th and very early 20th centuries. While the Tories played up their interests in Protestant unionism during this period it was never an issue between the supporters of both clubs.
 

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Good OP btw, it's rare enough that you learn something genuinely new here, so thanks!
 

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Probably - and the fact that the Catholic hierarchy was much more inclined to align itself with fascist and other far-right elements.
Despite the fact that Catholicism sits on the left of the political spectrum?
 

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