Losing Our Religion - 2016 Census Results

[Casablanca]

The CSO has released figures garnered from the Census held last year.

RTE are reporting the following changes from 2011.

The number of Catholics fell by over 130,000 and from 84% to 78%

The number of those saying they had no religion increased by 204,151 to 481,388

There were 63,443 Muslims, up from 49,204 (up 29%).

Surprisingly perhaps there were 2,557 Jews, marking an increase of 573(also up 29%).

The Church of Ireland fell by 2% whilst Orthodox Christians (up by 37.5% to 62,187) and the Apostolic and Pentecostal category both saw large increases.


https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/1012/911813-census/

This raises a number of questions including but not confined to:

Is the fall off in Catholicism new or merely a confirmation of what people had already decided in practice, but didn't declare on the Census before?

Why is the Jewish population increasing so dramatically and, along with the increase in Muslims, what are the implications?

 

[The Nal]

People are just realising that religion is a load of old bollocks. A combination of now admitting it, losing religion and people who were raised non religiously and have just made it into the 2016 census.

 

[wombat]

Why is the Jewish population increasing so dramatically ?

I wouldn't call 600 a dramatic rise - my guess a lot work for multinationals.

 

[Dame_Enda]

The CSO has released figures garnered from the Census held last year.

RTE are reporting the following changes from 2011.

The number of Catholics fell by over 130,000 and from 84% to 78%

The number of those saying they had no religion increased by 204,151 to 481,388

There were 63,443 Muslims, up from 49,204 (up 29%).

Surprisingly perhaps there were 2,557 Jews, marking an increase of 573(also up 29%).

The Church of Ireland fell by 2% whilst Orthodox Christians (up by 37.5% to 62,187) and the Apostolic and Pentecostal category both saw large increases.


https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/1012/911813-census/

This raises a number of questions including but not confined to:

Is the fall off in Catholicism new or merely a confirmation of what people had already decided in practice, but didn't declare on the Census before?

Why is the Jewish population increasing so dramatically and, along with the increase in Muslims, what are the implications?

I don't see the rise in the Jewish population as "surprising". While we tend to sympathise with the Palestinians, studies (such as by Tel Aviv University's Stephen Roth Centre on Antisemitism) have found little evidence of antisemitism in Ireland compared to other European countries. Also US multinationals and US and UK banking houses moving staff here could account for some of the rise particularly after Brexit.

 

[eoghanacht]

*cough*

http://www.politics.ie/forum/current-affairs/249608-census-2016-results.html

 

[razorblade]

Who cares religion is a load of nonsense which should be discarded into the dustbin, thankfully more and more people are starting to see through such nonsense.

 

[Clanrickard]

Who cares religion is a load of nonsense which should be discarded into the dustbin, thankfully more and more people are starting to see through such nonsense.

I doubt the Muslim population thinks like that.

 

[IrishFreedom]

Who cares religion is a load of nonsense which should be discarded into the dustbin, thankfully more and more people are starting to see through such nonsense.

I deeply admire china and Japan for all their faults at least practice philosophy without forcing it down other people's throats.

 

[gerhard dengler]

This thread is a re-heat of this other 240+ page thread, in the very same section of this site.
http://www.politics.ie/forum/culture-community/255778-10-now-admit-no-religion.html

Merge thread please.

 

[Catalpast]

The CSO has released figures garnered from the Census held last year.

RTE are reporting the following changes from 2011.

The number of Catholics fell by over 130,000 and from 84% to 78%

The number of those saying they had no religion increased by 204,151 to 481,388

There were 63,443 Muslims, up from 49,204 (up 29%).

Surprisingly perhaps there were 2,557 Jews, marking an increase of 573(also up 29%).

The Church of Ireland fell by 2% whilst Orthodox Christians (up by 37.5% to 62,187) and the Apostolic and Pentecostal category both saw large increases.


https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/1012/911813-census/

This raises a number of questions including but not confined to:

Is the fall off in Catholicism new or merely a confirmation of what people had already decided in practice, but didn't declare on the Census before?

Why is the Jewish population increasing so dramatically and, along with the increase in Muslims, what are the implications?

Warning: Take anything these people tell you with a grain of salt....

However going on what they claim they found we see the number without religion went up by 277,237

- of which some 130,000 were Catholics

So more than 50% of the loss of religion is amongst non Catholics

- who make up some 20% of the population of the State

It is clear that if these figures are taken at face value

- then the Catholic religion is not the one losing adherents at any rate the loss

- that other belief systems are suffering...

 

[razorblade]

I doubt the Muslim population thinks like that.

No but they musnt be allowed to shove their beliefs down anyone elses throat, practise your religion in private dont force it onto the rest of society unfortunately they and some other extreme religious groupings dont seem to be capable of doing that.

 

[Casablanca]

MODS:

The thread referenced above was based on Preliminary Results in July 2016

Mine is based on the CSO's final figures and is being reported on throughout print and broadcast media today.

 

[locke]

The Jewish population has been rising since the late 90s. The main cause is immigration from Jewish communities in Eastern Europe, particularly Hungary.

However, a lot of the increase comes from people who are ethnically Jewish, but not practising. So while there has apparently been an increase in the Jewish populationin Cork from 57 in th 90s to 172 nowadays, the synagogue still had to close last year because they couldn't get 10 male members together for a service.

 

[Casablanca]

Who cares religion is a load of nonsense which should be discarded into the dustbin, thankfully more and more people are starting to see through such nonsense.

Why do you think that is happening now rather than 10/20 years ago?

 

[Casablanca]

The Jewish population has been rising since the late 90s. The main cause is immigration from Jewish communities in Eastern Europe, particularly Hungary.

However, a lot of the increase comes from people who are ethnically Jewish, but not practising. So while there has apparently been an increase in the Jewish populationin Cork from 57 in th 90s to 172 nowadays, the synagogue still had to close last year because they couldn't get 10 male members together for a service.

This is true. Are the Eastern European Jews (which after all, is where most Irish Jews originally came from to escape persecution) different in their practices from other Jews?

 

[The Nal]

Why do you think that is happening now rather than 10/20 years ago?

Because with the amount of evil shít thats happened in that period, visible globally with the internet, its impossible for God as we know it to exist. No entity is that evil.

Also, basic evolution. As we evolve, nonsense gets ignored. Like legs on blue whales.

 

[Socratus O' Pericles]

Why do you think that is happening now rather than 10/20 years ago?

Schools, inertia, ennui, fear even............is why it didn't happen 10 years or so ago.

Paedophilia, paedophile defence, educate together schools and a certain unattractiveness about the rcc schtick means its a declining interest.

 

[Catalpast]

The Jewish population has been rising since the late 90s. The main cause is immigration from Jewish communities in Eastern Europe, particularly Hungary.

However, a lot of the increase comes from people who are ethnically Jewish, but not practising. So while there has apparently been an increase in the Jewish populationin Cork from 57 in th 90s to 172 nowadays, the synagogue still had to close last year because they couldn't get 10 male members together for a service.

Or maybe the CSO are talking through their Hat...

 

[Casablanca]

Because with the amount of evil shít thats happened in that period, visible globally with the internet, its impossible for God as we know it to exist. No entity is that evil.

Also, basic evolution. As we evolve, nonsense gets ignored. Like legs on blue whales.

Interesting, and I think a lot of people would agree with you. I'm still not sure that the people who marked "no religion" this time around didn't always feel that way, but just didn't have the courage to say it previously.

 

[razorblade]

Why do you think that is happening now rather than 10/20 years ago?

I suppose a lot of it was to do with the hangover of the RCC and people were still quite unwilling to admit to not having any religion now people are more upfront about admitting to not having a religion where previously it was seen to be something that you would be ashamed to admit because of the power and influence of the church, thats my take on it anyway.