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Louise O'Keefe Case-Proof of the Govt real stance!


loaded32

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We have listened to all the rhetoric and the lip service apology from Bertie, while he went and sold us short behind our backs.

However, does the Louise O'Keefe case, on top of the failings of the HSE/State in the Roscommon case and the refusal of Govt to prioritise legislation for childrens rights go to show the real true colours of FF and this government and their actual blatant disregard for Child Welfare!! Look at the closure of the 3 wards in Crumlin now also!

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A HIGH-COURT ruling, which had left an abuse victim facing a €500,000 legal bill, could have had major implications for other victims. Mother-of-two Ms Louise O'Keeffe (41) was abused by her primary school principal. But after taking a case against the state she was facing a legal costs bill of up to €500,000. The High Court found the State was not to blame for indecent assaults inflicted on her when she was eight. It also said the Minister for Education had no liability in relation to the assault.

The abuser teacher, Leo Hickey, a former principal at Dunderrow National School, was sentenced to three years for the abuse he meted out to young girls in the 1970s. Ms O'Keeffe was awarded €54,000 in compensation by the Criminal Injuries Tribunal. But she subsequently took a High Court action against the State arguing that it was guilty of negligence in the matter
 

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The state (ie the taxpayer) cannot be held responsible for the act of every teacher in every school. The woman knew what she was getting into, and stil continued her vaxacious case. It comes down to personal repsobility for one's actions (both the teacher and Ms O'Keefe).
 

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vexatious????

she was indecently assaulted as an 8 y/o child. how is trying to get justice being vexatious?
 

carlovian

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The state (ie the taxpayer) cannot be held responsible for the act of every teacher in every school. The woman knew what she was getting into, and stil continued her vaxacious case. It comes down to personal repsobility for one's actions (both the teacher and Ms O'Keefe).
Keith, this post should be deleted.

Read it again and delete it now !
 

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The state (ie the taxpayer) cannot be held responsible for the act of every teacher in every school. The woman knew what she was getting into, and stil continued her vaxacious case. It comes down to personal repsobility for one's actions (both the teacher and Ms O'Keefe).
Fully engage brain before typing please.
 

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vexatious????

she was indecently assaulted as an 8 y/o child. how is trying to get justice being vexatious?
She got her justice - her abuser is in jail. She then went on to try and make a few bob out it - and lost. Apparently she was repeatedly warned that she WOULD NOT win her case against the State but would win a case against the Diocese. However, she persisted in her case against the State in the vain hope of hitting a larger cash jackpot than would be available from the Diocese. This woman has cost the taxpayer (i.e. you and me) hundreds of thousands in doomed-to-fail attempts to extract cash from us. She should have been taken for every penny she owed the State.
 

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Keith, this post should be deleted.

Read it again and delete it now !

There's nothing wrong with what I posted. The woman chose to persue her vaxacious case against the state. She is responsible for her actions. Being a victim doesn't always make you right.
 

the klingon

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There's nothing wrong with what I posted. The woman chose to persue her vaxacious case against the state. She is responsible for her actions. Being a victim doesn't always make you right.
So who is right? the state? The (state employed) abuser? Of course she is in the right. I support her action for justice. We have seen state institutions cover up so much abuse - we all know it's a feckin scandal, and there may well have been negligence here - again still being covered up. Now we have another state bill for abuse - given to the abused!

Maybe she should have just stayed quiet altogether?
KetithM, I think it is a very unpopular viewpoint you are taking given the history of abuse in this country.
 

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So who is right? the state? The (state employed) abuser? Of course she is in the right. I support her action for justice. We have seen state institutions cover up so much abuse - we all know it's a feckin scandal, and there may well have been negligence here - again still being covered up. Now we have another state bill for abuse - given to the abused!

Maybe she should have just stayed quiet altogether?
KetithM, I think it is a very unpopular viewpoint you are taking given the history of abuse in this country.
I whole heartedly agree but I have to say that the Green Party is a party to this as well.
The Greens have far more influence than any single FF TD or Minister so it is a little puzzling why they escape being tarnished by incidents such as these.
 

Tony_1975

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The state (ie the taxpayer) cannot be held responsible for the act of every teacher in every school. The woman knew what she was getting into, and stil continued her vaxacious case. It comes down to personal repsobility for one's actions (both the teacher and Ms O'Keefe).
That exactly the opposite of what our Minister for Finance said here:-
Lenihan talks down prospect of new deal for abuse victims | BreakingNews.ie
Minister for Finance Brian Lenihan says it is only right that the State take responsibility for compensating the victims of child abuse at state-run institutions.
Lenihan says that while those who ran the institutions are responsible for what happened, it was the State's job to supervise their work.
But we all know that the Government is much more interested in protecting the church than protecting its victims.
 

loaded32

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She got her justice - her abuser is in jail. She then went on to try and make a few bob out it - and lost. Apparently she was repeatedly warned that she WOULD NOT win her case against the State but would win a case against the Diocese. However, she persisted in her case against the State in the vain hope of hitting a larger cash jackpot than would be available from the Diocese. This woman has cost the taxpayer (i.e. you and me) hundreds of thousands in doomed-to-fail attempts to extract cash from us. She should have been taken for every penny she owed the State.
Hearsay at best! You are very cold hearted and going by your post I would suggest this is the type of rubbish we need to movey from. She was abused as an EIGHT YEAR OLD while in the hands of the state. The state failed her in a lot of instances...end of! She certainly didnt choose to be horrifically abused as an 8 year old!!
 

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She got her justice - her abuser is in jail. She then went on to try and make a few bob out it - and lost. Apparently she was repeatedly warned that she WOULD NOT win her case against the State but would win a case against the Diocese. However, she persisted in her case against the State in the vain hope of hitting a larger cash jackpot than would be available from the Diocese. This woman has cost the taxpayer (i.e. you and me) hundreds of thousands in doomed-to-fail attempts to extract cash from us. She should have been taken for every penny she owed the State.
Her case clarified the extent of the State's liability towards men and women in a similar situation to her own. In doing so, her case also provided a good deal of certainty to the State and the taxpayers you claim to care about. This public interest aspect was acknowledged by the Court, yet you don't mention it.

Do you really think the Court would have decided how it did on the question of costs if she and her lawyers had transparantly been wasting the court's time by presenting - as you see it - a case "doomed to fail"?
 

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Back in early August abuse survivor Louise O'Keefe requested a meeting with Taoiseach Enda Kenny.
Abuse survivor Louise O'Keefe seeks meeting with Taoiseach | Irish Examiner

Two months later, and it seems our Taoiseach's diary was far too busy to accommodate a meeting. Let alone a Wednesday morning ninty minute meeting.
Enda Kenny confirms commitment to meet Louise O

It's very unfortunate having to wait two months for a meeting, apparently now, you can get a ninty minute meeting in a matter of days. Does anyone know if Louise ever got her meeting with An Taoiseach after waiting more than two months?
 

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Bullseye.
 

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Back in early August abuse survivor Louise O'Keefe requested a meeting with Taoiseach Enda Kenny.
Abuse survivor Louise O'Keefe seeks meeting with Taoiseach | Irish Examiner

Two months later, and it seems our Taoiseach's diary was far too busy to accommodate a meeting. Let alone a Wednesday morning ninty minute meeting.
Enda Kenny confirms commitment to meet Louise O

It's very unfortunate having to wait two months for a meeting, apparently now, you can get a ninty minute meeting in a matter of days. Does anyone know if Louise ever got her meeting with An Taoiseach after waiting more than two months?
Louise cannot be used as ammunition against political rivals.
 
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