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Low cost aerial surveillance of whole cities a policing revolution

patslatt

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See https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-baltimore-secret-surveillance/

As shown in the link video, small aircraft with cameras attached underneath can record movements of people and vehicles over wide areas of cities at a low cost for hours on end,for less than the cost of a police helicopter. The movements of people appear as pixels and can be traced by time on automated software systems. At present, surveillance is limited to daylight hours but advances in digital cameras should make it possible at night.

Movements of criminals on foot and in vehicles can easily be traced around the scenes of crimes and their identities pinpointed at the exact time they pass by street level cameras. A criminal who wants to evade this surveillance would have to enter a building where so many people or vehicles were emerging that the police would not have the resources to track them all down.

All high crime areas would benefit from such surveillance given the relatively low costs. It will be interesting to see how long the Garda Siochana takes to adopt it.
 
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Considering how successful the take-up of the new policing policy of cruising through an area in a squad car at 37 kph has been in terms of collection of local intelligence I'd say this is stage 2.

On some sunlit day there will be an announcement of a further advance in policing when a monitoring room has been set up on a goldilocks planet the other side of Mars altogether.

Response times will rocket downwards to 8 light years or less. Vital local intel will be collected from Snowden and Wikileaks.

Beats having any clue about the area you are supposed to be policing of course.
 

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You can see the logical extension of this psychology. Couple of lads on the high side of the moon in a sealed portakabin high-fiving each other because their computers have detected someone being stabbed by a figure in a hoodie in Temple Bar.

Result.
 

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reminds me of the European transport systems conference about 15 years ago when a high level deputation from London transport gave a fantastic presentation with powerpoint and everything about the new dot matrix systems they'd installed across London's main bus routes which told the customer how long they'd have to wait for the next bus.

At the questions stage a fellow from Scandinavia put his hand up and asked 'don't you have timetables?'
 

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See https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-baltimore-secret-surveillance/

As shown in the link video, small aircraft with cameras attached underneath can record movements of people and vehicles over wide areas of cities at a low cost for hours on end,for less than the cost of a police helicopter. The movements of people appear as pixels and can be traced by time on automated software systems. At present, surveillance is limited to daylight hours but advances in digital cameras should make it possible at night.

Movements of criminals on foot and in vehicles can easily be traced around the scenes of crimes and their identities pinpointed at the exact time they pass by street level cameras. A criminal who wants to evade this surveillance would have to enter a building where so many people or vehicles were emerging that the police would not have the resources to track them all down.

All high crime areas would benefit from such surveillance given the relatively low costs. It will be interesting to see how long the Garda Siochana takes to adopt it.

 

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Ideal to watch anyone on the scratcher doing nixers!
 

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I think it was Heinlein who suggested that the Earth's moon is the most strategically advantageous location in the solar system.

Re OP: very concerning for two reasons (1) we're reduced to pixels. (2) Law enforcement and intelligence agencies have access to increasingly sophisticated surveillance equipment which ultimately imparts more power to the state apparatus. Everyone should find that troubling.

Re point (2):

In 2006, the Israeli army, one of the most technologically advanced professional armies in the history of warfare agreed to a ceasefire with Hezbollah, after the latter's (tiny) intelligence and engineering divisions devised a way of hacking into Israeli army comms, computer systems, and their cell phone network AND managed to orchestrate their own drone attack on Israel!

Interestingly, the attacks on Israeli ISPs were done via web hosting facilities in Brooklyn, Montreal and Dehli!

Asymmetric strategies demonstrate that even the seemingly insurmountable power of the state can be disabled by cheap tech and innovation.
 

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[video=youtube;-5MstU_iAWQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5MstU_iAWQ[/video]
 

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I would be and indeed am extremely uncomfortable that in the case of Ireland, the movement of people can be and is monitored by people who belong to an organization, 2 of whoose members made a joke about potentially raping a woman protester at Rosport and were caught on camera and then when brought before a disciplinary hearing were found to have no case to answer!
That my friends, sets the benchmark for what we can expect from the pigz!
 
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Calculusmadeeasy

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She was correct in shooting it down, fair play to her.
Drone Law Journal | Current United States Federal Drone Law

A summary of FAA regs:

https://www.faa.gov/uas/media/Part_107_Summary.pdf

Small unmanned aircraft may not operate over any persons
not directly participating in the operation, not under a
covered structure, and not inside a covered stationary
vehicle.


https://www.faa.gov/uas/

No mention of penalties for shooting one down. Presumably that's on the way after yer wan took one out.

[video=youtube;4yAcmDQdcHA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yAcmDQdcHA[/video]
 

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Ideal to watch anyone on the scratcher doing nixers!
Surveillance should focus on the most serious crimes as Big Brother isn't welcome. Dictatorships will abuse it. Maybe hackers will invent something to make people invisible to aerial surveillance.
 
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patslatt

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I think it was Heinlein who suggested that the Earth's moon is the most strategically advantageous location in the solar system.

Re OP: very concerning for two reasons (1) we're reduced to pixels. (2) Law enforcement and intelligence agencies have access to increasingly sophisticated surveillance equipment which ultimately imparts more power to the state apparatus. Everyone should find that troubling.

Re point (2):

In 2006, the Israeli army, one of the most technologically advanced professional armies in the history of warfare agreed to a ceasefire with Hezbollah, after the latter's (tiny) intelligence and engineering divisions devised a way of hacking into Israeli army comms, computer systems, and their cell phone network AND managed to orchestrate their own drone attack on Israel!

Interestingly, the attacks on Israeli ISPs were done via web hosting facilities in Brooklyn, Montreal and Dehli!

Asymmetric strategies demonstrate that even the seemingly insurmountable power of the state can be disabled by cheap tech and innovation.
THe potential hacker reaction occured to me in responding to post 6.
 

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Does not matter what tech is deployed in this Country, career crims are back on the streets in days, the Judges that release this scum get away from prosecution from the next victims or sacked for incompetence every day of the week.

The best crime prevention tools we can invest in is prisons, an FBI style unit to tackle organised crime and beef up the CAB to strip these little fookers of everything and leave them in a tent with no dole for life.

It should be a priority of any government to go after the money,not the criminals, in fact the CAB should be the law in these cases, if a known crime family/organisation member has even 20 quid more than their dole payments they should be locked up.

I would (in my mad version of being in charge) have stopped that big crime funeral a couple of years ago in the inner city, arrested the lot of them in their sunglasses and fancy Mercs and put them in orange jumpsuits so the people of Dublin could see these little fookers for what they really are.

It is no accident Dublin is plaqued by heroin and drugs while the scum dealers get to access money and lifestyle far beyond their means. Take everything and I mean everything from them, no capital, no drugs,
 

patslatt

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I would be and indeed am extremely uncomfortable that in the case of Ireland, the movement of people can be and is monitored by people who belong to an organization, 2 of whoose members made a joke about potentially raping a woman protester at Rosport and were caught on camera and then when brought before a disciplinary hearing were found to have no case to answer!
That my friends, sets the benchmark for what we can expect from the pigz!
You never heard locker room sick sexual jokes before?
 

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Does not matter what tech is deployed in this Country, career crims are back on the streets in days, the Judges that release this scum get away from prosecution from the next victims or sacked for incompetence every day of the week.

The best crime prevention tools we can invest in is prisons, an FBI style unit to tackle organised crime and beef up the CAB to strip these little fookers of everything and leave them in a tent with no dole for life.

It should be a priority of any government to go after the money,not the criminals, in fact the CAB should be the law in these cases, if a known crime family/organisation member has even 20 quid more than their dole payments they should be locked up.

I would (in my mad version of being in charge) have stopped that big crime funeral a couple of years ago in the inner city, arrested the lot of them in their sunglasses and fancy Mercs and put them in orange jumpsuits so the people of Dublin could see these little fookers for what they really are.

It is no accident Dublin is plaqued by heroin and drugs while the scum dealers get to access money and lifestyle far beyond their means. Take everything and I mean everything from them, no capital, no drugs,
In crime prevention, it's cheaper to provide good social services to socially deprived areas, such as preschooling, help for young single mothers in child rearing and above all good quality cheap housing. Government and councils' pandering to NIMBYS has hobbled the housing building industry with red tape, restrictive zoning and lack of investment in sewerage and water facilities. That's the major cause of relative poverty.
 

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In crime prevention, it's cheaper to provide good social services to socially deprived areas, such as preschooling, help for young single mothers in child rearing and above all good quality cheap housing. Government and councils' pandering to NIMBYS has hobbled the housing building industry with red tape, restrictive zoning and lack of investment in sewerage and water facilities. That's the major cause of relative poverty.
Most criminals come from families where the father is not present.

In most cases this is not the choice of the father.
 

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AGS couldn't be bothered their bollix answering 999 calls in parts of Dublin and are seemingly impotent, for whatever reason, in face of a Chicago 1920s gang war.

Yeah, give them drones .....
 


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