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Lucinda takes on Olivia O'Leary over abortion


borntorum

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Thankfully I didn't hear it, but apparently 80s-era battleaxe Olivia O'Leary had one of her self-important 'columns' on Radio 1 recently, where she said people should 'kick the Takiban out of the constitution' and claimed that Ireland was 'no country for young women'.

Here's what she said (hat tip to irishpancake who uploaded it to youtube);

[video=youtube;b5j5pSTGmbc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=b5j5pSTGmbc[/video]

This provoked an unusually strong response today from Taliban-loving, young woman-hating Minister for Europe, Lucinda Creighton:

To compare Ireland or our Constitution to the Taliban is grossly misleading. Olivia O’Leary should, and I’m fairly sure does, know better. Could she really believe that the Shia women of Mazar-e-Sharif, whose husbands were executed and had their throats slit before their eyes and those of their children, would agree that Ireland is a terrible, oppressive place to live? Many of those same women saw their children stuffed into containers and sent to unknown destinations, left to suffocate in a slow and painful death. Would those women, I wonder, condemn the Irish legal system which strives to protect the lives of all children?

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I have been accused repeatedly of being some sort of a fanatic or fundamentalist. Anyone who knows me – my friends, my family, my colleagues – knows that is simply nonsense. For the record, I do not come to this debate with any religious or idealogical ‘hang-up’. Like 85% of the population I have been brought up as, and describe myself as a Catholic. I am not a particularly devout one and I am not diligent in attending religious ceremonies. So I suppose I am like most Irish Catholics in that respect.
My support for human life is not based on any blinkered ideology. When I was a student, I would have regarded myself as liberal on the issue, being in favour of abortion. I suppose I simply bought into the accepted notion that a foetus is simply an extension of a woman and not a person.
However, I have come to believe that I was wrong. And I don’t change my view lightly. My opinion is, I suppose, shaped by a number of factors, personal experience with family members and friends, a more objective analysis of the arguments on both sides and of course the facts, which are all important. The clear view of those practicing psychiatrists is most convincing. I cannot ignore either, the very compelling experience of having dealt with so many parents going through adoption procedures, who have been through IVF and are doing everything they can to support human life. Life is precious. We cannot change that.
Id be somewhat more liberal on abortion than Creighton. But I applaud her standing up to O'Leary's foolish and needlessly divisive contribution on the topic. There have been a few instances in the media recently of 'liberals' attempting to belittle and bully those they disagree with, rather than out-reason them. We should tolerate all viewpoints as long as they are respectful of others, and not seek to dismiss or diminish those with whom we disagree.

25 April 2013 : Lucinda CREIGHTON TD
 
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harshreality

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I fear for Lucinda sometimes, I fear that the flux capacitor in her brain has her mind stuck back in the 50s!
 

The OD

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I fear for Lucinda sometimes, I fear that the flux capacitor in her brain has her mind stuck back in the 50s!
That has yet to be proven.....
 

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I fear for Lucinda sometimes, I fear that the flux capacitor in her brain has her mind stuck back in the 50s!
You're epitomising what Borntorun has just written about.
 

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If Lucinda can allow Irish Babies to be aborted after transportation to the UK can she not allow abortion in Ireland where there is risk to health of the mother?
 

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I heard it on Tuesday evening just after 5.30 pm.

Olivia O'Leary's radio "column" was hysterical nonsense and Lucinda is right to take her to task for it.
 

IbrahaimMohamad

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I heard it on Tuesday evening just after 5.30 pm.

Olivia O'Leary's radio "column" was hysterical nonsense and Lucinda is right to take her to task for it.
Is there a transcript?
 

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Thankfully I didn't hear it, but apparently 80s-era battleaxe Olivia O'Leary had one of her self-important 'columns' on Radio 1 recently, where she said people should 'kick the Takiban out of the constitution' and claimed that Ireland was 'no country for young women'. This provoked an unusually strong response today from Taliban-loving, young woman-hating Minister for Europe, Lucinda Creighton:



Id be somewhat more liberal on abortion than Creighton. But I applaud her standing up to O'Leary's foolish and needlessly divisive contribution on the topic. There have been a few instances in the media recently of 'liberals' attempting to belittle and bully those they disagree with, rather than out-reason them. We should tolerate all viewpoints as long as they are respectful of others, and not seek to dismiss or diminish those with whom we disagree.

25 April 2013 : Lucinda CREIGHTON TD
I am a social liberal and I totally concur with your view on this.
All points are open to debate and just because someone labels something progress doesn't mean it is, people like O'Leary think they have all the answers and are often just as kneejerk as the worst of the conservatives.
Her whole tone in the diary on R1 shouts: "This is my position and the position of every other right thinking person, think differently and you are wrong, backward and holding us back."
I cannot believe I am partially backing Creighton on this.
 

borntorum

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I heard it on Tuesday evening just after 5.30 pm.

Olivia O'Leary's radio "column" was hysterical nonsense and Lucinda is right to take her to task for it.
I don't understand why she has that 'column' in the first place. RTE are usually obsessed with providing opposing viewpoints on every topic. What makes OOL so special that she's given a platform to spout off unchallenged on whatever she wants?
 

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Where does Lucinda stand on denying abortion in cases of risk to health and waiting until there is a substantial risk to the Mothers life even if this means that many mothers will die as a result?
 

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I heard it on Tuesday evening just after 5.30 pm.

Olivia O'Leary's radio "column" was hysterical nonsense and Lucinda is right to take her to task for it.
Damn right, heard her Moanfest also, it was way over the top, while I am pro choice and all, O'Leary's rant was delusional and we get to listen to Olivia's rants on a weekly basis on DriveTime for 5 minutes, for about €550 per radio column,
 

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Thankfully I didn't hear it, but apparently 80s-era battleaxe Olivia O'Leary had one of her self-important 'columns' on Radio 1 recently, where she said people should 'kick the Takiban out of the constitution' and claimed that Ireland was 'no country for young women'. This provoked an unusually strong response today from Taliban-loving, young woman-hating Minister for Europe, Lucinda Creighton:

Id be somewhat more liberal on abortion than Creighton. But I applaud her standing up to O'Leary's foolish and needlessly divisive contribution on the topic. There have been a few instances in the media recently of 'liberals' attempting to belittle and bully those they disagree with, rather than out-reason them. We should tolerate all viewpoints as long as they are respectful of others, and not seek to dismiss or diminish those with whom we disagree.

25 April 2013 : Lucinda CREIGHTON TD
Is O'Leary trying to take the liberal high ground from O'Toole, now that he's passed his sell-by date?

Is there a snake-infested Pacific island that could accommodate both egoes without sinking?
 

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I don't understand why she has that 'column' in the first place. RTE are usually obsessed with providing opposing viewpoints on every topic. What makes OOL so special that she's given a platform to spout off unchallenged on whatever she wants?
O'Leary is one of the most insufferable people on radio.
 

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I am not a great fan of Lucinda but on this she is right. The likes of windbag O Leary come up with things like Taliban too easily, just as others come up with Nazis or Holocaust, Kristallnacht etc to describe some Irish situation, is totally off the wall. Creighton may be offside on the new legislation, but on O Leary she is correct.
 

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I don't understand why she has that 'column' in the first place.
Well connected member of the RTE set, no one under 50 need apply:lol:
 

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More proof - as if we needed any - that RTE is Labour party's main propoganda tool

Olivia is merely reflecting mindset of RTE which is one of inverted south Dublin elitist bigotry

I'm all for freedom of speech.

But we are paying to have our views patonised

This is no longer acceptable

Nor is it acceptable for RTE to be touting govts abortion agenda at our expense.

The Supreme Court ruled state funding of political campaigns was wrong back in October

This ruling should now be extended to RTE which must now cease being Labours propoganda department

Oh and its also time Pat Rabbitte was moved frim being their Minister...he is far to close to RTE and vice versa
 

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I think she gets a few hundred euros for each weekly rant
Why? Why her? She wasn't heard of for a while and like other luvvies like Mike Murphy strolls back in. Time for one radio and one tv station and privatize the rest
 
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