Macron proposes major expansion of EU powers

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Outdoing Jean-Claude Juncker's state of the Union speech, French President Emmanuel Macron has proposed thecreation of a eurozone parliament and the EU taking over many of the current powers of national governments in finance, defence, taxation, pay policy, education and asylum policy.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/26/profound-transformation-macron-lays-out-vision-for-post-brexit-eu


Macron’s proposals included shoring up the 19-member eurozone with a finance minister, budget and parliament ... In what was hailed on Tuesday as one of the most pro-European speeches by an EU leader in years, he spoke up for common EU policies on defence, asylum and tax, called for the formation of European universities, and promised to play Ode to Joy, the EU anthem, at the Paris Olympics in 2024.
In light of Euroscepticism growing in just about every member state, his proposals appear to fly in the face of logic and and strengthen suspicions of a Euro-elite out of touch with the increasing distance between citizens and where decisions are made. And with Germany occupied with putting a new government together, Spain in the throes of a serious constitutional crisis, Poland and Hungary involved in serious disputes with the Brussels and the Union itself trying to sort out the implications of Brexit, it looks about the worst possible time to float grandiose ideas of a superstate. Where else can he turn for support?

Sure, there is a tradition of French presidents making grandiose Napoleonic gestures but they're usually preceded by previous achievements. Macron has already started off with his grand plan of restructuring the entire French economy but has yet to implement any significant concrete measures. Is it possible that this flight of fancy is an attempt to distract attention from his domestic programme?
 


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France has effectively declared war on Irish independence.
 

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It's what he believes in. So he's entitled to advocate for that as much as he wants and as much as any one else can campaign for less integration or full exit. That's normal discourse and politics. There are people across the spectrum. He's well known federalist. No big deal. Europeans of all nations get to choose what they want. Calm down.
 

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This horrible little toad is trying to emulate another French leader.
See how well that worked out for him.

"There must be a superior power which dominates all the other powers, with enough authority to force them to live in harmony with one another - and France is best placed for that purpose. We must have a common currency, the same weights and measures and the same laws, a Europe-wide legal system with a final appeal court in the capital of France. I must make all the peoples of Europe one people...."
- Napoleon Bonaparte (Page 9, “1812 - Napoleon's fatal march on Moscow”, Adam Zamoyski)
 

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he can fck right off, i'd support isis before an EU army
 

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Macron is an EU insider by training and inclination, he won an election by default, he's slightly more competant than Trump but doesn't have the same restraints so we can expect more Napoleon impersonations for the rest of his term - another reason the Brits should have stayed.
 

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Kite flying.
 

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Outdoing Jean-Claude Juncker's state of the Union speech, French President Emmanuel Macron has proposed thecreation of a eurozone parliament and the EU taking over many of the current powers of national governments in finance, defence, taxation, pay policy, education and asylum policy.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/26/profound-transformation-macron-lays-out-vision-for-post-brexit-eu


In light of Euroscepticism growing in just about every member state, his proposals appear to fly in the face of logic and and

strengthen suspicions of a Euro-elite out of touch with the increasing distance between citizens and where decisions are made. And with Germany occupied with putting a new government together, Spain in the throes of a serious constitutional crisis, Poland and Hungary involved in serious disputes with the Brussels and the Union itself trying to sort out the implications of Brexit, it looks about the worst possible time to float grandiose ideas of a superstate. Where else can he turn for support?

Sure, there is a tradition of French presidents making grandiose Napoleonic gestures but they're usually preceded by previous achievements. Macron has already started off with his grand plan of restructuring the entire French economy but has yet to implement any significant concrete measures. Is it possible that this flight of fancy is an attempt to distract attention from his domestic programme?
Absolute madness indeed, and one would have thought he might be well advised to sort out his own henhouse before he starts clucking around others. This looks to me like a speech that was written before the German election and was to be delivered in the aftermath of a thumping Merkel victory. Clearly no one thought to change the script.....

With Merkel scrabbling to form a discordant coalition and now likely to be gone sooner rather than later, Macron is thankfully for the moment left without a partner to push this agenda (unless you count the hapless Juncker!). However, the history of EU integration has tended to be that what the centre wants, the centre eventually gets, by hook or by crook. The classic example of this being of course the famous EU 'constitution' which was ignominiously rejected in France and Holland (and one other country, I think) before they just decided to water it down slightly, call it Lisbon and push it through without need for referendums, except in irrelevant and easily-cowed little places like Ireland.
 

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Are Euro-federalists living in a different planet?

"Maria Demertzis, the deputy director of the Bruegal thinktank, said Macron had been very cautious on eurozone reform, which reflected German reality. “His speech touches on areas where there is very little disagreement – defence, security, sustainable development, the young, education, research,” she said."
 

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He can ************************ off with his insane proposal, the indigenous Europeans wont allow their cultures to be destroyed and are going to fight tooth and nail to preserve it.
 

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Outdoing Jean-Claude Juncker's state of the Union speech, French President Emmanuel Macron has proposed thecreation of a eurozone parliament and the EU taking over many of the current powers of national governments in finance, defence, taxation, pay policy, education and asylum policy.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/26/profound-transformation-macron-lays-out-vision-for-post-brexit-eu




In light of Euroscepticism growing in just about every member state, his proposals appear to fly in the face of logic and and strengthen suspicions of a Euro-elite out of touch with the increasing distance between citizens and where decisions are made. And with Germany occupied with putting a new government together, Spain in the throes of a serious constitutional crisis, Poland and Hungary involved in serious disputes with the Brussels and the Union itself trying to sort out the implications of Brexit, it looks about the worst possible time to float grandiose ideas of a superstate. Where else can he turn for support?

Sure, there is a tradition of French presidents making grandiose Napoleonic gestures but they're usually preceded by previous achievements. Macron has already started off with his grand plan of restructuring the entire French economy but has yet to implement any significant concrete measures. Is it possible that this flight of fancy is an attempt to distract attention from his domestic programme?
Thats because ...as i posted during the election to much criticism ...he's a narcissistic immature spoiled brat with a God complex ...and a gobsh1te to boot
Looking forward to his imminent political castration

Good OP btw concise and erudite
 

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As many as it takes....
dont we have a triple lock something something,or will that be sold to Deutsche Bank in lieu of interest payements when we default?
 

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Brits wil be delighted ...transaction tax again ...huge sigh of relief in London , who would move their HQ out of London while that loon is determined to spend everyone else money to avoid taking on the French unions...Brexit or No Brexit

The more you read the speech the more insane and out of touch you realise it to be , talk about appalling timing , lack of awareness and ego gone rogue

"I dont have red lines i only have horizons" ...oh f@ck off you gormless twat
 

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European universities could be tools of indoctrination into Eurofederalism. I'm opposed to that. Education policy must remain with the member states.
 

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Brexit has shown that the Brits are incapable of sane thoughts on Europe.
But Juncker and now Macron's speech make them appear like the chief in One Flew over the Cuckoos nest. Run, do not walk.
 

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European universities could be tools of indoctrination into Eurofederalism. I'm opposed to that. Education policy must remain with the member states.
There is already massive EU indoctrination at primary school level
 


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