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Maiden Dail speech by Oliver Flanagan


Herodotus

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How is it that we do not see any of these [Emergency Powers] Acts directed against the Jews, who crucified Our Saviour nineteen hundred years ago, and who are crucifying us every day in the week? How is it that we do not see them directed against the Masonic Order? How is it that the I.R.A. is considered an illegal organisation while the Masonic Order is not considered an illegal organisation? [...] There is one thing that Germany did, and that was to rout the Jews out of their country. Until we rout the Jews out of this country it does not matter a hair's breadth what orders you make. Where the bees are there is the honey, and where the Jews are there is the money.

I know he was elected an independent before joining Fine Gael but why would FG admit such a person into their parliamentary party? Kind of strange when the excellent Alan Shatter is in their ranks at the moment. Is their any other anti-semites in the ranks of Fine Gael either in the past or present.


I am just curious, as I am researching anti-semitism at the moment, in no way is this a slight at FG.
 

sickpuppy

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think you should point out that speech was made circa 1943, hardly reflects modern FG thinking.
Having said that, his big conspiracy rant does remind me of certain p.ie contributors!
 

sumlulu

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FG had a shameful role in the spanish civil war fighting with the facists
I'm interested in finding out what exactly this shameful past you purport FG had with the Spanish civil war? As far as I knew FG had no involvement in this?
 
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Is it not time that FG's Justice spokesman clarified the party's current attitude to Oliver J.'s 1943 remarks?

By the way, Oliver J. campaigned to get into the Dail on a "Monetary Reform" platform. Given the monetary mayhem the world is now experiencing, he was clearly a man ahead of his time.
 

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I know he was elected an independent before joining Fine Gael but why would FG admit such a person into their parliamentary party? Kind of strange when the excellent Alan Shatter is in their ranks at the moment. Is their any other anti-semites in the ranks of Fine Gael either in the past or present.


I am just curious, as I am researching anti-semitism at the moment, in no way is this a slight at FG.
Right wing Catholicism was rife in Ireland at the time.

As Catholicism had been repressed by Great Britain, independence resulted in an outopuring of Catholic supremism. The Eucharistic Congress in 1932 is a prime example. Much of this outpouring was negative as can be seen in the deferential treatment of the hierarchy.

The Church's view of Judaism was medieval at the time.

I suggest you research anti-semitism in Ireland in this context rather than as a feature of party politics. Right wing catholicism crossed party boundaries.
 

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While the links between modern day FG and Flanagan are rather tenous, it is disturbing that Enda Kenny unveiled a memorial bust of Flanagan in the very recent past.

He was one of the most vile politicians this country has ever seen.
 

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Is it not time that FG's Justice spokesman clarified the party's current attitude to Oliver J.'s 1943 remarks?

By the way, Oliver J. campaigned to get into the Dail on a "Monetary Reform" platform. Given the monetary mayhem the world is now experiencing, he was clearly a man ahead of his time.
It's 2009 the country is falling apart, get a grip.
 

louis bernard

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Right wing Catholicism was rife in Ireland at the time.

As Catholicism had been repressed by Great Britain, independence resulted in an outopuring of Catholic supremism. The Eucharistic Congress in 1932 is a prime example. Much of this outpouring was negative as can be seen in the deferential treatment of the hierarchy.

The Church's view of Judaism was medieval at the time.

I suggest you research anti-semitism in Ireland in this context rather than as a feature of party politics. Right wing catholicism crossed party boundaries.
A really good post, you made your excellent point very well.
 

tiny tim

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This is a very mischievous thread. I don't believe that any rubbish no matter how pre biblical can stop what the people want NOW and thet is a Fine Gael led government. You'll have to dig deeper and you won't find anything to approach the stinking rot of FF and the Greens.
 

Herodotus

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Right wing Catholicism was rife in Ireland at the time.

As Catholicism had been repressed by Great Britain, independence resulted in an outopuring of Catholic supremism. The Eucharistic Congress in 1932 is a prime example. Much of this outpouring was negative as can be seen in the deferential treatment of the hierarchy.

The Church's view of Judaism was medieval at the time.

I suggest you research anti-semitism in Ireland in this context rather than as a feature of party politics. Right wing catholicism crossed party boundaries.
I agree with your well written post. I have been investigating Jewish politicians in Irish history for my own personal research. I just think it strange for someone to say what Oliver J. Flanagan said. Particularly when one considers that Robert Briscoe of Fianna Fail would have been in the Dail at the same time. Fianna Fail were heavily associated with the Church then, yet they had a Jewish TD.

As a result of researching Jewish politicians and their excellent contribution to Ireland ( I did mention the good acheivements of Alan Shatter, so I am in now way anti-FG) I now want to study anti-semitism and came across this chap. If you know of any other anti- semites I'd be interested to hear.
 

Pauli

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I remarked elsewhere that Oliver Flanagan was one of the great minds of the 15th century. This speech, the first of many, confirms that view.
 

White Horse

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I agree with your well written post. I have been investigating Jewish politicians in Irish history for my own personal research. I just think it strange for someone to say what Oliver J. Flanagan said. Particularly when one considers that Robert Briscoe of Fianna Fail would have been in the Dail at the same time. Fianna Fail were heavily associated with the Church then, yet they had a Jewish TD.

As a result of researching Jewish politicians and their excellent contribution to Ireland ( I did mention the good acheivements of Alan Shatter, so I am in now way anti-FG) I now want to study anti-semitism and came across this chap. If you know of any other anti- semites I'd be interested to hear.
You may find this material useful unless you've come accross it already.

Jews in twentieth-century Ireland ... - Google Books
 

Ramon Mercadar

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I know he was elected an independent before joining Fine Gael but why would FG admit such a person into their parliamentary party? Kind of strange when the excellent Alan Shatter is in their ranks at the moment. Is their any other anti-semites in the ranks of Fine Gael either in the past or present.


I am just curious, as I am researching anti-semitism at the moment, in no way is this a slight at FG.
He never apologised for or withdrew the speech yet hes a FG hero.

His portrait hangs in FG HQ.

No surprise.

John A. Costello, FG leader and Taoiseach also praised Hitler in the Dail and wore a Blueshirt there and gave the fascist salute.

His portrait also hangs in FG HQ.

If FG had achieved power in the 1930s then they would have exterminated all Jews.

Alan Shatter would never have been born.
 

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FG had a shameful role in the spanish civil war fighting with the facists
You idiot FG had no role in the Spanish Civil War. A small number of Blueshirts went to Spain urged on by many priests to defend the Catholic Church from attacks by the Popular Front Government. 7,000 Catholic priests, nuns and brothers were murdered by the Popular Front of Communists, Socialists and Radicals. Many churches and monasteries were burned down.
The IRA had links with Hitler. Learn your history!
 
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