Majoritarianism

McSlaggart

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""Those who know anything about Northern Ireland will appreciate that these issues will only work with the support of the unionist as well as the nationalist community."


Is their any reason why we should now have to have a majority in each of the "two" communities in Northern Ireland before we progress with any issue of substance???
 


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""Those who know anything about Northern Ireland will appreciate that these issues will only work with the support of the unionist as well as the nationalist community."


Is their any reason why we should now have to have a majority in each of the "two" communities in Northern Ireland before we progress with any issue of substance???
.....because nationalists asked for it to stop a repeat of the old stormont regieme....
 

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In a weird way Snarlene is emerging as the protector of two Unions. She has by implication redefined Unionism as keeping NI in the European Union as well as the UK, despite her loathing of the former. Which is ironic.
 

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The truth is, so-called "northern" Ireland exists in name only.

A country is defined by it borders and Ireland's de-facto border will be back where it belongs - in the Irish Sea,
 

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In a weird way Snarlene is emerging as the protector of two Unions. She has by implication redefined Unionism as keeping NI in the European Union as well as the UK, despite her loathing of the former. Which is ironic.
I have to agree with you there.
The DUP have overplayed their hand and now realise it too late.
They have made a complete horlicks of Brexit and there last proposals were unworkable and a sell out. But because they have accepted a regulatory border in the Irish sea, the next step was always going to be a customs border.
 

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I have to agree with you there.
The DUP have overplayed their hand and now realise it too late.
They have made a complete horlicks of Brexit and there last proposals were unworkable and a sell out. But because they have accepted a regulatory border in the Irish sea, the next step was always going to be a customs border.
The problem the DUP had/have is to put their trust in the British conservative party.
 

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.....because nationalists asked for it to stop a repeat of the old stormont regieme....
That's a misunderstanding of the raison d'etre for the "petition of concern" mechanism, which was designed to prevent sectarian legislation which would affect disadvantage one side to the benefit of the other. The veto was never intended to be used in the opportunistic way that the DUP see as their right. The DUP have been misusing this, most notably to prevent gay marriage rights.
That cannot be right and the mechanism needs tweaking, e.g. via a judicial review system.
In the meantime the backstop is not a sectarian issue.
In other words you don't have a point.
 

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That's a misunderstanding of the raison d'etre for the "petition of concern" mechanism, which was designed to prevent sectarian legislation which would affect disadvantage one side to the benefit of the other. The veto was never intended to be used in the opportunistic way that the DUP see as their right. The DUP have been misusing this, most notably to prevent gay marriage rights.
That cannot be right and the mechanism needs tweaking, e.g. via a judicial review system.
In the meantime the backstop is not a sectarian issue.
In other words you don't have a point.
If the backstop is not a sectarian issue,
What major unionist party supports the backstop?

Hence it is a sectarian issue?
 

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Best alliance ever as it will lead to freedom, peace, justice, equality and prosperity for the island of Ireland.
Along with the "75+seats" for poor SF in the 26?
I love this site,
The truth always comes out.
Thanks
 

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If the backstop is not a sectarian issue,
What major unionist party supports the backstop?

Hence it is a sectarian issue?
The backstop has the support of many unionist businessmen and farmers, because they know that without it they will be ruined. The backstop is an economic issue.
 

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The backstop has the support of many unionist businessmen and farmers, because they know that without it they will be ruined. The backstop is an economic issue.
No the backstop is mainly a constitutional issue.
That is a priority for Unionists so it is a sectarian issue.
Why does no major Unionist party support the backstop if it is only an economic issue.
 

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No the backstop is mainly a constitutional issue.
That is a priority for Unionists so it is a sectarian issue.
Why does no major Unionist party support the backstop if it is only an economic issue.
It is beginning to look like the DUP are about to do a U turn on the backstop DOG.
 

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The one thing I suspect exists in bucketloads but has hardly surfaced in the debate is the pressure on the DUP from within unionism to ensure that Northern Ireland, which voted by a substantial majority across the communities there to remain, is not shackled to whatever fallout there is from project Brexit after the dust has settled.

I can't see farmers and business interests within the unionist community being any happier about the economic prospects for Northern Ireland with Brexit than farmers and business interests in the nationalist community would be happy about it.
 

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It is beginning to look like the DUP are about to do a U turn on the backstop DOG.
They already hAve when the agreed to the regulatory border down the Irish sea.
 

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A significant ray of common sense shone through the murk when the line about a possible shifting of emphasis to a border in the sea was contained within Johnson's letter to Barnier last week.

Johnson would have had to have secured agreement from the DUP for that element back then so this has gradually surfaced over the past week, an observation made also by French and German spokesthings a month or two back that didn't receive a lot of notice in the hurly-burly at Westminster and in the Supreme Court capers.

Johnson had to conceded somewhere, perhaps recognising belatedly that the best possible thing for him to do to get himself out of his self-made box canyon, would be to change tack and secure a deal- of any kind. That was the only way out left to him politically. He now risks being seen to offer concessions and failing to secure a deal by the deadline, which is not a political position he would want to be seen in either but not as bad as having to 'die in a ditch' or ask for an extension.

What he has offered the DUP would be interesting to know, although there are signs that the DUP may be about to split factionally on Johnson's concession which would never have been acceptable to unionism even five years ago.
 

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That's a misunderstanding of the raison d'etre for the "petition of concern" mechanism, which was designed to prevent sectarian legislation which would affect disadvantage one side to the benefit of the other. The veto was never intended to be used in the opportunistic way that the DUP see as their right. The DUP have been misusing this, most notably to prevent gay marriage rights.
That cannot be right and the mechanism needs tweaking, e.g. via a judicial review system.
In the meantime the backstop is not a sectarian issue.
In other words you don't have a point.
Republicans and nationalists of course never used the poc.
 


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