March to federal Europe / EU. How do we Irish feel about this? What do PIE folk think about this?

robut

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Jean-Claude Juncker's federalist vision for the EU is far from reality

JUNCKER:

“The wind is back in Europe’s sails,” he declared. And it appears the EU is sailing in a more federalist direction.
Im focusing this thread specifically on FEDERAL EUROPE rather than the wider state of union speech by Juncker today.

So straight and simple .. I am trying to gauge what folk here think of a Federal Europe and Irelands place in same?

Is Federalism a step too far and should we be out of it? OR should we embrace it fully?

In fact .. via treaties are we already signed up to this and in it for the long haul whether we like it or not? And if this is the case do many Irish folk realise this?

Is EU federalism just a dream in reality that will be pushed back against by many other EU countries?

The future of the eurozone will also be decided by France and Germany. Their positions remain at odds, with France’s Emmanuel Macron looking for more ambitious ways to share debt. Meanwhile, Ireland is likely to resist any attempt to deny it powers to veto EU tax policy.

Sovereignty-minded countries are not going to keep quiet just because the UK has gone.
Fine Gael MEP says Ireland needs to re-examine its neutrality ahead of Brexit

IRELAND NEEDS TO re-examine its neutral status as Britain moves closer to leaving the European Union (EU), Fine Gael MEP Brian Hayes has said.
"The threats now aren’t threats of armies or tanks rolling into one country. The threats now are cybersecurity, jihadist terrorism."

"They’re the new threats and I think the discussion on the future of Europe at home and here allows us an opportunity to look again at our defence commitments, to look again at our security and to look at how we can … be a more effective and a more integrated tool of policy within the European Union."

“We helped build this thing called Europe. We’re one of the oldest, most grown up, wealthiest members of this club. We’ve got to defend it too in my view and I think we need to look at this policy, especially now that Britain are leaving the European Union,” Hayes stated.
 
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Robut - can you offer suggestions/outlines formforms of federation and request a poll?

Thanks
 

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Robut - can you offer suggestions/outlines formforms of federation and request a poll?

Thanks
My understanding is a drive toward a UNITED STATES of EUROPE? Eventually close to the USA type union? Centralised governance in Brussels while local govs are more like county councils?

Re - a poll. Good idea .. I would ask you all whats the best Q to ask about this?
 

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Junckers dream will lead to the break up of the EU.

The Eurocrats need to wake up see what's happening and how folks feel, apply the brakes and then back up to what the EU was a community for the economic well being of ALL nations and not a political union with a federal army.

Juncker and his ilk will kill the EU.
 

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I think Junker is the best present those opposed to federalisation could ever have hoped for ......

Mans a drunken meglomaniac gobsh1te who keeps letting the federal cat out of the bag landing his establishment lackies in trouble and increasing EU hostility


Its no suprise Brexit happened on his watch , and he will contiunue to do untold , possibly irreparable damage to the reputation of the EU

Love im petunia
 

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There's asking what ordinary actual Irish living working citizens think...and then there's the swivel-eyed opinions of the lonely bitter anti-social losers fulminating agin the universe from Mammy's basement, now that Granny has gone to meet Dev and McQuaid in the sky.

If yer looking for sane, representative opinions in today's Ireland, p.ie is most definitely not the place
 

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My understanding is a drive toward a UNITED STATES of EUROPE? Eventually close to the USA type union? Centralised governance in Brussels while local govs are more like county councils?

Re - a poll. Good idea .. I would ask you all whats the best Q to ask about this?
Can you add Switzerland as a federal model to the eventual mix, please?
 

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There's asking what ordinary actual Irish living working citizens think...and then there's the swivel-eyed opinions of the lonely bitter anti-social losers fulminating agin the universe from Mammy's basement, now that Granny has gone to meet Dev and McQuaid in the sky.

If yer looking for sane, representative opinions in today's Ireland, p.ie is most definitely not the place
Your last sentence sums it up well.

But a federal Europe is not going to happen.

We just need the EU of nearly thirty democracies to cooperate in matters of mutual interest.

That is messy but it is a very advanced form of international cooperation in comparison with the rest of the world.

It is a pity that English racism is getting in the way.

We should not forget how Stalin and Hitler exterminated millions of their own citizens and reduced much of Europe to rubble in a totalitarian war.
 

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In terms of the eurozone reform, central jurisdiction at the start would have prevented the bank crashes, so perhaps that will prevent a repeat. As for defence, Sweden, Finland and Austria are also neutral nations, and it would seem an issue requiring unanimity.
 

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Jean-Claude Juncker's federalist vision for the EU is far from reality

JUNCKER:



Im focusing this thread specifically on FEDERAL EUROPE rather than the wider state of union speech by Juncker today.

So straight and simple .. I am trying to gauge what folk here think of a Federal Europe and Irelands place in same?

Is Federalism a step too far and should we be out of it? OR should we embrace it fully?

In fact .. via treaties are we already signed up to this and in it for the long haul whether we like it or not? And if this is the case do many Irish folk realise this?

Is EU federalism just a dream in reality that will be pushed back against by many other EU countries?



Fine Gael MEP says Ireland needs to re-examine its neutrality ahead of Brexit
The image of the European Union: national results and evolutions
In 15 Member States, a majority of respondents have a positive image of the EU (up from seven inautumn 2016), with the highest scores registered in Ireland (58%), Luxembourg (57%) and Bulgaria(55%).
The future of the European Union: national results and evolutions
A majority of respondents are optimistic for the future of the European Union in 24Member States (up from 21 in autumn 2016), with the highest scores in Ireland (77%), Luxembourg(73%) and Malta (71%).
Etc.

PublicOpinion - European Commission
 

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I dont like the traditionally confrontational and dismissive attitudes of Presidents of the EU Commission towards those who legitimately exercise their rights to oppose European integration, whether it was Delors or Santer or this one.

Junckers proposals for an EU Finance Minister should be rejected for the same reason the Americans rejected Britain's attempts to tax them in 1776.
 

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"European partners", "heart of Europe", "solidarity"...
not terms we hear much of since Ireland learned its true place in the European Project.
 

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yes .. But are much of the irish being polled there aware of europe potentially going federal and what that might mean?? If the federal q was asked would we have different results?
rtfr.
 

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I dont like the traditionally confrontational and dismissive attitudes of Presidents of the EU Commission towards those who legitimately exercise their rights to oppose European integration, whether it was Delors or Santer or this one.

Junckers proposals for an EU Finance Minister should be rejected for the same reason the Americans rejected Britain's attempts to tax them in 1776.
What are the details of the remit of the "finance minister", and why do you object to them?
 

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What are the details of the remit of the "finance minister", and why do you object to them?
According to Euronews , Juncker in his speech proposed an EU Finance Minister. I'm concerned this would lead to harmonised corporate taxation and an exodus of FDI from Ireland. The EU has always been on at us about our corporate tax rate.

Juncker Speech said:
.....“We need a European minister of economy and finance: a European minister that promotes and supports structural reforms in our member states,” Juncker said. “The new minister should coordinate all EU financial instruments that can be deployed when a member state is in a recession or hit by a fundamental crisis.”...He said the euro zone bailout fund -- the European Stability Mechanism (ESM) -- should be transformed into a European Monetary Fund and become an EU institution, rather than an intergovernmental one as the ESM is now.

The future European finance minister would be in change of the new European Monetary Fund (EMF) as well, he said...
 


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