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LooseCannon

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The FF / Green govt brought in legislation to treat cohabiting couples in the same way as married couples.
The goal was to ensure that there was protection for partners and dependents. In particular should one spouse walk away from their obligations.

The downside of this was that it was another nail in the institution of marriage as now you could co-habit and have the benefits and protection of marriage without actually going through the process of officially getting married.

(The first major attack was by Charlie McCreevey who brought in tax individualisation so there was no benefit for marriage - the goal being to push stay at home spouses out of the house and children into cheaper childcare).

It's still playing out as a court case is being taken by a woman who wishes to be treated as a widow since her partner who she never married has passed away leaving her in a legal limbo. It's tragic and daft at the same time. Tragic that her partner passed away
but daft that she is suddenly realising she forgot to get married and demanding she be treated as such...

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/its-wrong-that-a-child-born-out-of-wedlock-is-not-seen-as-deserving-unmarried-mother-in-fight-for-widowed-parents-allowance-36858053.html

If a couple are living together but are not married, it's usually because they don't want to get married and prefer to live with all the risks and flexibilty that goes with cohabiting
 


Wascurito

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This case is in NI so why are you referring to Charlie McCreevey, FF and the Greens?
 

Dame_Enda

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The FF / Green govt brought in legislation to treat cohabiting couples in the same way as married couples.
The goal was to ensure that there was protection for partners and dependents. In particular should one spouse walk away from their obligations.

The downside of this was that it was another nail in the institution of marriage as now you could co-habit and have the benefits and protection of marriage without actually going through the process of officially getting married.

(The first major attack was by Charlie McCreevey who brought in tax individualisation so there was no benefit for marriage - the goal being to push stay at home spouses out of the house and children into cheaper childcare).

It's still playing out as a court case is being taken by a woman who wishes to be treated as a widow since her partner who she never married has passed away leaving her in a legal limbo. It's tragic and daft at the same time. Tragic that her partner passed away
but daft that she is suddenly realising she forgot to get married and demanding she be treated as such...

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/its-wrong-that-a-child-born-out-of-wedlock-is-not-seen-as-deserving-unmarried-mother-in-fight-for-widowed-parents-allowance-36858053.html

If a couple are living together but are not married, it's usually because they don't want to get married and prefer to live with all the risks and flexibilty that goes with cohabiting
The failure of the bereaved unmarried woman to win her case so far would seem to undermine your argument that unmarried couples who cohabit are treated as well under law as married ones.
 

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Rots one tried a Marriage of convienence and is still paying the bill of fare decades later..:shock:
 

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[video=youtube;weBbZ11d5LM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weBbZ11d5LM[/video]
 

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FFS, its a Norn Irish case - she wants the widowed parents allowance to supplement single parent allowance.

Good on her.
 

Wascurito

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The failure of the bereaved unmarried woman to win her case so far would seem to undermine your argument that unmarried couples who cohabit are treated as well under law as married ones.
Indeed. That's another flaw in the OP's argument.
 

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If a couple are living together but are not married, it's usually because they don't want to get married and prefer to live with all the risks and flexibilty that goes with cohabiting
Not correct.
If two people are living together but not married, it's usually because one of them does not want to be married and the other does. This is why cohabiting is wrong. Women especially need to be hearing this but sadly it's not being emphasised on radio or TV or in the newspapers, journalists, presenters and Joe all seem terrified of being 'judgmental'
 

gerhard dengler

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Not correct.
If two people are living together but not married, it's usually because one of them does not want to be married and the other does. This is why cohabiting is wrong. Women especially need to be hearing this but sadly it's not being emphasised on radio or TV or in the newspapers, journalists, presenters and Joe all seem terrified of being 'judgmental'
If a child comes along, then for legal purposes (such as inheritance) the man may also be required to adopt the child born to his/her mother, at some point in the future.
 

stopdoingstuff

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These kind of laws were brought in to make riding someone for a year or two the equivalent of marriage in financial terms. As women are now really easy to sleep with, the value of sex and the depth of relationships have gone down and the rationale for committing to a specific female is way less obvious than used to be the case.

Therefore, to address the fact that fewer women are worth committing to (more miles on the clock, degraded domestic skills, a focus on work and consumption), the system has been rigged to give women access to your resources if you shack up with them for five years (2 if you knock them up, but that's at least sort of fair).

The way around this is to break up with them for 24 hours every couple of years so as to start the clock again. Another argument I have used successfully in court was to say that while I was physically living with the woman, I spent the last 2 years thinking of her 19 year old sister. The system works. Long live the patriarchy.
 

Sotired

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Not correct.
If two people are living together but not married, it's usually because one of them does not want to be married and the other does. This is why cohabiting is wrong. Women especially need to be hearing this but sadly it's not being emphasised on radio or TV or in the newspapers, journalists, presenters and Joe all seem terrified of being 'judgmental'
Not correct.

My good lady and I have lived together without the approval of a piece of paper from anybody for 22 years now.

Both our choice.

Have seen manys a friends, aquaintances, or work colleagues marriages go tits-up during that time.

We were just discussing going thru the legalities soon and quietly for inheritence reasons only.

Just noticed, a lot of my food has tasted a little bit odd these past few weeks.

Great cook though.
 
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PC Principle

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Not correct.

My good lady and I have lived together without the approval of a piece of paper from anybody for 22 years now.

Both our choice.

Have seen manys a friends, aquaintances, or work colleagues marriages go tits-up during that time.

We were just discussing going thru the legalities soon and quietly for inheritence reasons only.

Just noticed, a lot of my food has tasted a little bit odd these past few weeks.

Great cook though.
Your ma’ doesn’t count. That’s just sick.
 

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This case is in NI so why are you referring to Charlie McCreevey, FF and the Greens?
In the Irish institutional state, every quangocrat blames some measure of every problem on Charlie McCreevy.

Apart from anything else, he reduced income tax.

Less income tax, less largesse in the quangos.
 


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