Martin McGuinness appointed Steward and Bailiff of the Manor of Northstead

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Why has no UK government ever passed a law that would compel people who are elected to the House of Commons to take their seats (which would, of course, involve taking the Oath to the monarch) or else be disqualified, thus leading to a by-election?

Not taking one's seat after being elected makes a mockery of democracy. So does electing a person who it is known will not take their seat.
 


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Why has no UK government ever passed a law that would compel people who are elected to the House of Commons to take their seats (which would, of course, involve taking the Oath to the monarch) or else be disqualified, thus leading to a by-election?

Not taking one's seat after being elected makes a mockery of democracy. So does electing a person who it is known will not take their seat.
The people voted for MMG, in the knowledge that he would not take his seat in the House of Commons. His protest against Brit rule = their protest against Brit rule. So what is undemocratic about that?

He is still helping his electorate with surgeries, writing letters on behalf of his constituents etc. He just doesn't sit in the Commons and vote there.
 

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Why has no UK government ever passed a law that would compel people who are elected to the House of Commons to take their seats (which would, of course, involve taking the Oath to the monarch) or else be disqualified, thus leading to a by-election?

Not taking one's seat after being elected makes a mockery of democracy. So does electing a person who it is known will not take their seat.
one by election after another would also make a mockery of democracy.
ignoring the wishes of the people who elected the Sinn Fein MP also makes a mockery of democracy.
changing electoral rules in order to have more palatable people elected also makes a mockery of democracy.

The Brits have tolerated Sinn Fein not taking their seats in Westminster, because they know fully that to do otherwise would make a mockery of democracy.
 

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Why has no UK government ever passed a law that would compel people who are elected to the House of Commons to take their seats (which would, of course, involve taking the Oath to the monarch) or else be disqualified, thus leading to a by-election?

Not taking one's seat after being elected makes a mockery of democracy. So does electing a person who it is known will not take their seat.
Even worse, they're sitting in Stormont with the intention of discontinuing the state itself via a referendum. Despicable, an abuse of democracy and such.. :p
 

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But you must realise that customers and staffs of shopping centres were legitimate targets as part of the "armed struggle".

SF supporters here will explain this in detail.
Sorry, mate, but you can't just spout opinions like that. Some might describe that as hyperbole. I just think it's a big old lie. Customers and staff were not "legitimate targets". The purpose of bombing economic targets, such as shopping centres,(and you can argue its justification, or its futility, or its rank carelessness till kingdom come, and I'm not going to debate that) was to create such an unforgiving cost to the British taxpayer that it would create a groundswell of public opinion to withdraw from the North. Now you can argue for evermore if that was ever going to succeed, but it is just so johny to claim that mass murder was the goal. The IRA made enough mistakes in the conduct of the war without the need to embellish it with this kind of nonsense. It's up there with the claim some time ago that the punishment beatings against the hoods were labelled, and I quote, "the torture of thousands of innocent children".
Having said all that, some would be of the opinion that the bombings at Bishopsgate and Canary Wharf concentrated British government minds to broker a political agreement.
 

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Sorry, mate, but you can't just spout opinions like that. Some might describe that as hyperbole. I just think it's a big old lie. Customers and staff were not "legitimate targets". The purpose of bombing economic targets, such as shopping centres,(and you can argue its justification, or its futility, or its rank carelessness till kingdom come, and I'm not going to debate that) was to create such an unforgiving cost to the British taxpayer that it would create a groundswell of public opinion to withdraw from the North. Now you can argue for evermore if that was ever going to succeed, but it is just so johny to claim that mass murder was the goal. The IRA made enough mistakes in the conduct of the war without the need to embellish it with this kind of nonsense. It's up there with the claim some time ago that the punishment beatings against the hoods were labelled, and I quote, "the torture of thousands of innocent children".
Having said all that, some would be of the opinion that the bombings at Bishopsgate and Canary Wharf concentrated British government minds to broker a political agreement.
when, and on what basis did shopping centres become "economic targets"?
 

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Why has no UK government ever passed a law that would compel people who are elected to the House of Commons to take their seats (which would, of course, involve taking the Oath to the monarch) or else be disqualified, thus leading to a by-election?

Not taking one's seat after being elected makes a mockery of democracy. So does electing a person who it is known will not take their seat.
You are an idiot.

But I'll indulge you.

Mr Shinner of West Belfast wins a seat. He refuses to take hs seat. So he is disqualified. A by election is called, and held. The UK Govt. funds the by election.

Sinn Féin runs another candidate. The Sinn Féin vote increases (it would, trust me, on the strength of any "banning" type activity by the authorities).

Mrs Shinner the new MP refuses to take her seat, so a by election is called. Again Sinn Féin win. More money, more elections.


You do know that Sinn Féin thrives on elections? They are basically an election winning machine.

So...



bring it on.


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