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From todays Irish Times(25th Sept 2010)

Madam, – On our recent holiday to your country, my wife had to visit Accident Emergency at Cork University Hospital. The clinical and nursing care was first class but the treatment of patients was distinctly third world.

My wife spent three days and two nights in the corridors of A E. The latter were spent on a trolley. She was not the only one and those being treated thus ranged from the very young to the very old. It was clear that this treatment of patients was routine and is absolutely shameful.

Or is this a matter for the HSE?

The Irish Times - Letters
 

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From todays Irish Times(25th Sept 2010)

Madam, – On our recent holiday to your country, my wife had to visit Accident Emergency at Cork University Hospital. The clinical and nursing care was first class but the treatment of patients was distinctly third world.

My wife spent three days and two nights in the corridors of A E. The latter were spent on a trolley. She was not the only one and those being treated thus ranged from the very young to the very old. It was clear that this treatment of patients was routine and is absolutely shameful.

Or is this a matter for the HSE?

The Irish Times - Letters
Why should they change or improve? They have no competition and get paid whether they offer a good or bad service. There's simply no need to do anything more or different from their point of view. We spend 25% of ALL govt expenditure on Health. It's an unresponsive, unaccountable money pit.
 

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From todays Irish Times(25th Sept 2010)

Madam, – On our recent holiday to your country, my wife had to visit Accident Emergency at Cork University Hospital. The clinical and nursing care was first class but the treatment of patients was distinctly third world.

My wife spent three days and two nights in the corridors of A E. The latter were spent on a trolley. She was not the only one and those being treated thus ranged from the very young to the very old. It was clear that this treatment of patients was routine and is absolutely shameful.

Or is this a matter for the HSE?

The Irish Times - Letters
Good job she didn't have to go to A&E when she was back in the UK.

Man who died on trolley 'victim of NHS budget cuts' - Local & National, News - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk
 

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Third World?

A picture of a hospital ward in Uganda:



A picture of a hospital ward in Ireland:



A birthing suite at Cork University Hospital:

 

drjimryan2

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this is a non story......

decisions were made........

why no travel insurance?....

what about the beacon or hermitage a+e?........

the problem is clear.....people with insurance should not be in public a+e wards....no excuse.....
 

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Why should they change or improve? They have no competition...
Of course competition exists. But the competition, the private A&E's, close around 10PM and only deal with minor injuries and illnesses. In the "competitive" battle for market share, the public A&Es seem to be where the customer base want to go. Their competitive edge might be their wider menu of service offerings (i.e. injuries and illnesses greater than minor), and service availability (round-the-clock opening hours).
 

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Of course competition exists. But the competition, the private A&E's, close around 10PM and only deal with minor injuries and illnesses. In the "competitive" battle for market share, the public A&Es seem to be where the customer base want to go. Their competitive edge might be their wider menu of service offerings (i.e. injuries and illnesses greater than minor), and service availability (round-the-clock opening hours).
There's no comparable competition as you say. The State supported hospitals are so heavily funded it means nobody can compete. All hospitals should be sold off. Then Vincents, the Mater and James' can compete with each other. Best service will attract the patients. No patient, no fee. That's competition. That'll improve the service.
 

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Best service will attract the patients. No patient, no fee. That's competition.
How do propose to measure 'best service'? How do propose to empower patients to make the decision to choose between competing providers?
 

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The State supported hospitals are so heavily funded it means nobody can compete.
The private A&Es can compete with flexibility and service and efficiency. If there's solid money to be made investment will pour into the private A&Es.

But they need to be flexible (24 hours) and offer the range of services that their customers may want (e.g. patching you up after being hit by a bus).
 

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Health care is a basic public service, it should not be run on a for profit basis.

Anyway, how do you know that the Minister of Health was not appointed with a secret task to sabotage the Irish Health system?
 

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Health care is a basic public service, it should not be run on a for profit basis.

Anyway, how do you know that the Minister of Health was not appointed with a secret task to sabotage the Irish Health system?
What's secret about it?
 

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How do propose to measure 'best service'? How do propose to empower patients to make the decision to choose between competing providers?
LOL!

I don't. The people will. It's called the market. Your ideology is blinding you.
 

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Health care is a basic public service, it should not be run on a for profit basis.
Don't delude yourself, it's run for profit now. The workers get the profit. But they're not accountable to the users of the service.

Anyway, how do you know that the Minister of Health was not appointed with a secret task to sabotage the Irish Health system?
Because I'm not a conspiracy theorist and if she had been given that role she has failed spectacularly. She could have privatised the lot Day 1.
 

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She could have privatised the lot Day 1.
Do you think the gombeens in FF would have stood for that? She needed to do it gradually, allowing the privateers their scams like the NTPF to build up their for-profit facilities while closing down the public service by neglect, and appointing managers like Drumm who knew nothing about management.
 

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Are you sure yours isn't blinding you?
Look, I would love if the fluffy ideology delivered the service we all want and our parents and kids deserve. The fact is when you spend 25% of all expenditure in health and it still doesn't work, it means the system is wrong. I want what works, whether that's public, private or a mix. The end justifies the means.
 

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Do you think the gombeens in FF would have stood for that? She needed to do it gradually, allowing the privateers their scams like the NTPF to build up their for-profit facilities while closing down the public service by neglect, and appointing managers like Drumm who knew nothing about management.
So FF are the defenders of a Health system that has failed. When you're spending a quarter of all expenditure on a system and it still won't work you have an obligation to change the system. Insanity is repeating the same behaviour and expecting different results.
 

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What's secret about it?
It hasn't been officially announced. Yesterday she warbling on about providing the best service possible.

She has never said openly that she wants to wreck the public health service, even though, it seems that way.
 

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So FF are the defenders of a Health system that has failed. When you're spending a quarter of all expenditure on a system and it still won't work you have an obligation to change the system. Insanity is repeating the same behaviour and expecting different results.
Oh, I fully agree. The way she left the budget balloon without expecting any results has been appalling. But introducing for-profit psuedo competition, with the likes of the Beacon creaming off their preferred customers (self secleting) and leave the rest to rot in the mismanaged public system is not a solution.
 
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