Mary O'Rourke to join the female exodus from Leinster House

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Shell did an acturial study on those retiring at 65. Those who worked up to 65 rather than taking early retirement in the main died within 1 year of pension.

For many people working beyond 65 gives meaning and purpose and activity in their lives.

Out of curiosity Asparagus can I ask your political views? Soc - center right ?
Funnily enough the Shell study is not a complete shock. I have attended many funerals over the years of people who retired at 65 and within 1 year either they or their loved one had passed on.
 


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Shell did an acturial study on those retiring at 65. Those who worked up to 65 rather than taking early retirement in the main died within 1 year of pension.

For many people working beyond 65 gives meaning and purpose and activity in their lives.

Out of curiosity Asparagus can I ask your political views? Soc - center right ?
Yearragh i think that shell are hardly the most reliable people to be doing those kinds of reports but i think that people get institutionalised in work - Your employment becomes a second life and perhaps people can't handle the bereavement of this second life. I think that a social challenge rather than a reaon to work people to death.

Politically - i am all over the place - i think i am a slightly right wing (i believe in free enterprise, small government) but i did that compass test and came out making Gandhi looking like a nazi (mainly i believe because i believe in corporate and political accountability)

I am not a commie but on social topics i can be a socialist and on economic topics i am usually a capitalist - I grew up in an ireland where that was the political system - mixed

I would say that my biggest concern lays with the plight of the middle class tax payers.

Up til 2000 i was a FF man thru familiy allegiances but then i started to see what bertie was doing to the country so for a while i withdrew from voting etc
since 2000 i have been trying to find a political home I can't vote Labour because i think unions are evil and i can't vote FF because they are gombeens, i can't vote FG because they are eejits - i can't tolerate small or independent candidates. The greens drive me insane.

I think i am blinded by abff at the moment and after the next election i
hope to get less defined by it.
 

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Mary O'Rourke seems like a kinda 'salt-of-the-earth' character and genuinely doesn't seem to be mired in any of the controversies that some of her crony colleagues are. She's kept her nose clean in politics and has behaved very well.

We might think that Eircom's sell off and the non-joined-up Luas lines are a bit of a fiasco, but in the big scheme of things she was a pretty effective minister.

However, what annoys me about her is that despite all of her own personal work as TD and Senator, she remained loyal to a party that was rotten to the core.

If more FFers had some backbone and left the party or took a seriously hardline stand against corruption, perhaps we wouldn't be in the mess we find ourselves today.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men (& women) do nothing" ... this applies perfectly to FF through the Haughey and Ahern eras.
 

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How many FF TD's will stand down at the next GE. Some will, for genuine reasons, others will desert the sinking ship as they could not accept losing their seats. They will take their pensions and run.
 

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To be fair, I'd say her reasons are genuine though. She's knocking-on and definitely about time to retire!

It'd also give her more freedom to blather on endlessly on the radio / tv.

Her book could be quite interesting!
 

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Funnily enough the Shell study is not a complete shock. I have attended many funerals over the years of people who retired at 65 and within 1 year either they or their loved one had passed on.

"Make my day, punk", advise p.ie you are 65ish
 

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Hard to see Mary giving up all the attention from the media. Probably afraid of losing her seat. Or maybe going to run for president. Never underestimate TD's ambitions.
It wouldn't surprise me. After all the brother was denied his rightful stint in The Park when Haughey betrayed him :D That said she'd be 81 by the end of a presidential term which may not help her chances.
 

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Will Mary hand on her seat,Lenihan style, to one of her family in "service" of the nation and continue the nepotism ?
 

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WHY ?

Given that it was an Actuarial study commissioned by Shell aside from hating Shell what is the issue ?
No hatred for shell - but they are a private company with a vested interest in the outcome of any research the commission.
i would be wary of any such research.

McDonalds probably have research that saturated fat is good for your heart but i wouldn't put much faith in that.

In black and white terms maybe shell are spot on but the reasoning of why is what i dispute - i think people die quicker when they discover that they have neglected the other side of their life and have no outlet or interests.#

They go from a social outlet in work to sitting at breakfast and looking at a spouse the haven't spoken to in earnest for 35 years. She (in this case) has raised all the kids and has gone through a hormonal change which had dramatically changed her and for 35 years she has been building a life away from him.

And then they find that when the conversation dries up after breakfast on day one they have no interests or hobbies.

So some of them wander off to golf clubs and try and take up the sport but they don't have the mates and so they give up.
Mostly they feel useless and irrelevant.
and then they die.

But this doesn't mean we all need to be worked till we die.
Maybe shell should commission a study to see how employees can develop the non work side of their lives.

Your pretty institutionalised if you arrive to 66 and find you can't live unless you are shuffling bits of paper round a building so that someone else can get rich or whatever.
 
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No hatred for shell - but they are a private company with a vested interest in the outcome of any research the commission.
i would be wary of any such research.

McDonalds probably have research that saturated fat is good for your heart but i wouldn't put much faith in that.

In black and white terms maybe shell are spot on but the reasoning of why is what i dispute - i think people die quicker when they discover that they have neglected the other side of their life and have no outlet or interests.#

They go from a social outlet in work to sitting at breakfast and looking at a spouse the haven't spoken to in earnest for 35 years. She (in this case) has raised all the kids and has gone through a hormonal change which had dramatically changed her and for 35 years she has been building a life away from him.

And then they find that when the conversation dries up after breakfast on day one they have no interests or hobbies.

So some of them wander off to golf clubs and try and take up the sport but they don't have the mates and so they give up.
Mostly they feel useless and irrelevant.
and then they die.

But this doesn't mean we all need to be worked till we die.
Maybe shell should commission a study to see how employees can develop the non work side of their lives.

Your pretty institutionalised if you arrive to 66 and find you can't live unless you are shuffling bits of paper round a building so that someone else can get rich or whatever.
Have you read the study ?

You seem to Diss Private companies doing studies.
 

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Have you read the study ?

You seem to Diss Private companies doing studies.
Yes just now

its here
http://www.bmj.com/content/early/2004/12/31/bmj.38586.448704.E0.full.pdf

Its a black and white statistical study and as such its grand - what i say is that it doesn't really dig into the reasons

it does say

It is reasonable to assume that some workers retired at 55 because of failing health, as the mortality for this group in the
first 10 years after retirement was almost twofold higher than
that of their peers who continued working.
which kind of implies that the research is quite one dimensional.

I distrust blanket research claims by private companies until i read a bit about it and see how they base the study.
 

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Jaysus it does look like your man Aengus O'Rourke (with the support of his wife Lisa ) will be the successor it might take till 2017 cos a hard rains a gonna fall on FF.
 

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Was there not some Rocky Moran or name like that who went against her for nomination last time. Could he resurface against the Lenihan/O'Rourke dynasty again ?
 

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:p:p Love it.
 

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I find it hard to believe Mary will retire this time- she probably has one of the safest FF seatsin Dail Eireann plus her son only got involved with local politics at the last Local elections at town council level. Another term for Mammy and he would be ready after having become a County councillor first. If she stepped aside now he would not win the nomination against Kevin Boxer Moran and FG would be the big winners with Nicky McFadden favourite to take the Athlone seat.
 

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:lol:
"looking at the option of standing down"?

Let me translate that from Lenihan speak to English.
"Depending on when the election is called I will assess the likliehood of success and if it is remote, I will stand down. If however some form of FF recovery has taken place in the interim, I will stand aagain and you can enjoy my batty, irrelevant, divertionary ramesh for another 5 years"
:lol:
 


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