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Marylou calls for TDs' salaries to be reduced to €71,000 on Morning Ireland


Toland

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Marylou McDonald, in between lots of stuff about bankers' pay and pensions that I suspect the government is right about when they say they're not able to do anything about it, came up with a figure of €71,000 a year for each TD. I think she said that €92 odd thousand is what they currently get in salaries.

I must say, shill Labour supporter and SF hater though I may be, I think her proposal, while politically very easy to make from the opposition benches, is well worth supporting.

She didn't mention TDs' expenses or pensions in the interview, but I believe SF is calling for all TDs' expenses to be vouched. Again politically easy, but very much worth supporting.

Is it possible that the reason these proposals are as popular as they are with the general public is that they complete no-brainers?

An all round reduction of this scale in TDs' salaries and such a change in the way TDs are compensated for their expenses would certainly hugely enhance the moral authority of the Dáil to make the difficult political decisions that they are required to make.

An excessive reduction it is not (imo, of course).

What should government backbenchers do?
 
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SF have been very consistent about saying our politicians are overpaid.
 

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Cut it to the average industrial wage (which was about €35,000 at the height of the "boom"), give them travel and lunch vouchers and instead of paying them for overnight accommodation take one of the NAMA apartment complexes and convert it into a dormitory. The government constantly tell home helps and others that their income must be cut, that cuts in health and other services are justified because the economy is in dire straits. They should practice what they preach. If they want the ordinary people to wear sackcloth to save the banks then they should first don the sackcloth themselves.
 

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Cut it to the average industrial wage (which was about €35,000 at the height of the "boom"), give them travel and lunch vouchers and instead of paying them for overnight accommodation take one of the NAMA apartment complexes and convert it into a dormitory. The government constantly tell home helps and others that their income must be cut, that cuts in health and other services are justified because the economy is in dire straits. They should practice what they preach. If they want the ordinary people to wear sackcloth to save the banks then they should first don the sackcloth themselves.
To be quite honest, I can understand your feelings but, apart from being politically unrealistic, I think your proposal (in the unlikely event it's really serious) is a little OTT.
 

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Of course the backbenchers should lead by example but the reality is that they won't.

A cynic might suggest that Mary Lou is putting this proposal forward in the full knowledge that it won't be adopted but it will get some publicity and a few votes for SF.
 

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Marylou McDonald, in between lots of stuff about bankers' pay and pensions that I suspect the government is right about when they say they're not able to do anything about it, came up with a figure of €71,000 a year for each TD. I think she said that €92 odd thousand is what they currently get in salaries.

I must say, shill Labour supporter and SF hater though I may be, I think her proposal, while politically very easy to make from the opposition benches, is well worth supporting.

She didn't mention TDs' expenses or pensions in the interview, but I believe SF is calling for all TDs' expenses to be vouched. Again politically easy, but very much worth supporting.

Is it possible that the reason these proposals are as popular as they are with the general public is that they complete no-brainers?

An all round reduction of this scale in TDs' salaries and such a change in the way TDs are compensated for their expenses would certainly hugely enhance the moral authority of the Dáil to make the difficult political decisions that they are required to make.

An excessive reduction it is not (imo, of course).

What should government backbenchers do?
There will be no rush in support from the back benches of FF/FG and Labour. Seemingly most TDs are up to their necks in mortgages/ loans that they received easily during the so called celtic tiger.
 

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Of course the backbenchers should lead by example but the reality is that they won't.

A cynic might suggest that Mary Lou is putting this proposal forward in the full knowledge that it won't be adopted but it will get some publicity and a few votes for SF.
Much as I would like to agree with him, my guess is that the cynic would be wrong.

And believe me, I'm no fan of Sinn Féin tomfoolery in other areas (see my current avatar for details).
 

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Marylou McDonald, in between lots of stuff about bankers' pay and pensions that I suspect the government is right about when they say they're not able to do anything about it, came up with a figure of €71,000 a year for each TD.

Fine Gael and Enda Kenny, the government defined by all the stuff they couldn't do any thing about.
 

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All TDs should be paid the same, including ministers, committee positions and Taoiseach. Why should they get any more? It is outrageous that these people take so much money for not doing very much and have the cheek to pontificate to everybody else about cutting back.
 

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There will be no rush in support from the back benches of FF/FG and Labour. Seemingly most TDs are up to their necks in mortgages/ loans that they received easily during the so called celtic tiger.
If they, as people with at least ambitions to get into fulltime politics, got themselves into hock to the extent that they could no longer pay it back on a salary of €71,000 I have precious little sympathy.
 

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That's a more realistic, and fair, figure given our current financial position. But it's the raft of allowances and expenses available that really need paring back, and nothing should be reimbursed without an invoice, just like it is outside the Dail bubble.

McDonald is cashing in on the current outrage over pensions and big salaries, but she's also 100% correct and has taken the moral high ground in a week when we had to endure the weak bleating of both Kenny and Noonan on their helplessness over bankers' pensions.

Most helplessness stems from an unwillingness to try harder.
 

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If they want the ordinary people to wear sackcloth to save the banks then they should first don the sackcloth themselves.
100%...and the people who make the argument that it won't close the deficit completely miss the point,often quite deliberately IMHO...........leadership means setting an example........

And the other oul guff about paying more and getting the best by making it more attractive is just that.....we paid politicians,and other senior public servants vast amounts of money in the past and still are (and are paying outragous pensions before 67 which is a utter disgrace)..and they still managed to put the bus in the ditch on several occasions......

Dunno with 35k as you suggested.....SF have said 71k...seems there would be some room between those two figures for manouver......
 
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Usual diversionary bullsh!t from SF. When they are prepared to engage in an honest manner regarding closing the deficit then they might be worth listening to on this issue, but not until then.
 

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If they, as people with at least ambitions to get into fulltime politics, got themselves into hock to the extent that they could no longer pay it back on a salary of €71,000 I have precious little sympathy.
No sympathy here as well, but you can see why they will not support such a reduction. I hear on the grapevine that a lot of these politicians are barely covering their loan repayments at present.
 

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I'm surprised that nobody has ever written a book about life as a T.D. warts and all, exposing all the crap that they get up to.....
 

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Usual diversionary bullsh!t from SF. When they are prepared to engage in an honest manner regarding closing the deficit then they might be worth listening to on this issue, but not until then.
On the contrary, I think their bluff (if that's what it is) should be called.

As for their position on the deficit, their position is transparent nonsense, but it is a separate issue.
 

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No sympathy here as well, but you can see why they will not support such a reduction. I hear on the grapevine that a lot of these politicians are barely covering their loan repayments at present.
There aren't 83 TDs who can barely cover their loan repayments. They can be beaten in a vote.
 
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