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Mass unmarked grave in Tuam for 800 babies (Second Thread)

CookieMonster

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I'm still not clear what this is intended to achieve. There have been inquiries the various religious orders didn't pay the compensation. What is this going to achieve? Nobody will go to jail, the taxpayer shouldn't be funding this and we shouldn't pay compensation for it. What is the end game here? I've asked it many times before, but what point is there in exhuming the bodies? What's to be done with them, a Christian burial? That would be an obscenity on top of an obscene waste of money already wasted. The past is a foreign land, what was done was unforgivable but there are many urgent current issues to be dealing with and this should be left in the past were it belongs, not picked at like a scab.
Because the deserve the truth to be known about what happened to them.
 


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Because the deserve the truth to be known about what happened to them.
Why do they deserve anything? Their familes abandoned the children to the home. The only reason any of them care about their dead relations now is because They want to score a few quid. Parasites.
 

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That will be later this year please God

Then at last the Truth might start to emerge....
what difference will it make? The homes are gone, nobody will ever do any prison time for this and the religious institutions are never going to pay full compensation, it's nothing but a waste of time, money and resources. The dead are gone, this makes no difference to them and it will change nothing.
 

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A couple of little concepts you might not be familiar with - Truth and justice.
We know the truth and there won't be any justice, what part of that do you not get? Nobody will go to prison, most people will get no compensation. It's a waste of time and money,money that could be spent helping young sick children in this country who have been waiting years for surgical proceedures. This is virtue signalling and political grandstanding and it's shameful.
 

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We know the truth and there won't be any justice, what part of that do you not get? Nobody will go to prison, most people will get no compensation. It's a waste of time and money,money that could be spent helping young sick children in this country who have been waiting years for surgical proceedures. This is virtue signalling and political grandstanding and it's shameful.
This confirms my initial assessment that you do not understand the concept of justice, if you did you would know it is not only served by prosecutions and prison time.
 

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This confirms my initial assessment that you do not understand the concept of justice, if you did you would know it is not only served by prosecutions and prison time.
You are particularly sanctimonious tonight, have you been sniffing your own farts again? There's a fierce bang of self righteousness off you today.:rolleyes2: It's a disgraceful waste of money and you know it, there won't be any justice of any kind, it doesn't matter to you at all.
 

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At this stage we must find out whether there really is a mass grave down there

- or [as I strongly suspect] just a cluster of old bones whose identity will prove indeterminate & or inconclusive.

To all intents and purposes the 'Mass grave of 800 children buried by the evil nuns in Tuam' will prove to be one of Ireland's greatest Hoaxes!
 

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Sacred Hearts of Jesus and Mary [BABY TRAFFICKING RELIGIOUS ORDER] are selling off their two remaining Mother and Baby Home properties in Ireland



:thumbsup: *Archaeologist/Anthropologist TONI MAGUIRE wants an embargo on the sale of these homes and ALL such Mother and Baby Homes. :thumbsup:



*ARCHAEOLOGIST/ANTHROPOLOGIST MS MAGUIRE ADVISED THE MINISTER that it is "potentially creating a situation which will allow for the destruction of evidence as to the location of marginalised burial of infants and mothers. "



*Ms Maguire says the *Postage Stamp currently identified as the the children's resting place at Bessborough couldn't possibly contain the numbers we are talking about*.




Bessborough (Cork) and Sean Ross Abbey (Tipperary) sites of former Mother and Baby Homes are up FOR SALE ~


Order puts second mother and baby home up for sale | Irish Examiner


By Conall Ó Fátharta


The [Sean Ross Abbey] site, in Roscrea, Co Tipperary, comprises of a wide range of institutional, residential, and other buildings including Corville House, woodland, farmland and a historic walled garden. The guide price is €1.25m.

The cemeteries in which children and sisters are buried will not be included in the sale and will continue to be maintained by the Sisters of the Sacred Hearts of Jesus and Mary. This will include future cemetery access for those who have a connection with the former mother and baby home.

The premises accommodating St Anne’s Special School, together with an additional area of land to permit further expansion of the school in the future, will also be excluded from the sale.

It comes just six months after the order confirmed that it intends to sell the Bessborough campus. The order also ran the Castlepollard mother and baby home. This site was purchased and taken over by the Midland Health Board in 1970.



Irish First Mothers ~

https://www.facebook.com/groups/avoiceforfirstmothers/



*TONI MAGUIRE ~ ARCHAEOLOGIST/ANTHROPOLOGIST*



Toni Maguire on Facebook:


I have recently written to the Minister on [t]he very real danger of granting planning permission to these sites to allow for their redevelopment.


:thumbsup: I have ADVISED THE MINISTER that by not placing an embargo on ALL such locations, the Irish Government is potentially creating a situation which will allow for the destruction of evidence as to the location of marginalised burial of infants and mothers.:thumbsup:


Toni Maguire on Facebook:


I cited the present planning permission which has been granted for the home in Cork and allows for over 100 new homes.

:mad2: All this when this institution is still unable to locate the burial location of hundreds of children. :mad2:

:thumbsup: Let’s be under no allusion that the ‘Postage stamp’ currently identified as their resting place behind the ‘Folly’ is sufficiently large enough to contain the numbers we are talking about. :thumbsup:
 

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Good to see that the survivors voices will be heard and recorded for future generations to know about what happens when you let the church have too much power.

NUI Galway to compile personal histories of Tuam Mother and Baby Home survivors | Irish Examiner


The personal histories and experiences of the victims/survivors of the Tuam Mother and Baby Home are to be gathered by researchers at NUI Galway.

The project, which will be launched next Thursday, is survivor-led and involves the collecting of oral histories from survivors of the Tuam home, as well as people from the local area or those with an interest in contributing to the project.

The primary researchers are Dr John Cunningham and Dr Sarah-Anne Buckley from NUIG's Department of History. The oral histories will be housed in the James Hardiman Library at the university.
 

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Great to see UCG taking the lead in the educating of our youth on the evil of religious dominance of a country

Lost And Found | Broadsheet.ie

The names of the 796 souls lost at St Mary’s in Tuam, brought back into our consciousness through this tapestry of their names that now hangs in Áras Moyola at #NUIG [National University of Ireland Galway]
 

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For the record just reading The Light in the Window by June Goulding


This is frequently quoted as a memoir of her time as a junior Midwife in the Bessborough Mother & Baby Home in Cork in the early 1950s


Indeed Poolbeg Press themselves pass it off as such:

In 1951 the young June Goulding took up a position as a midwife in a home run by nuns in Bessboro, County Cork.
What she witnessed there was to haunt her for the next fifty years. It was a place of imprisonment and cruelty where women picked grass by hand and tarred roads while heavily pregnant; where they were denied contact with the outside world, denied basic medical treatment, and abused for their “sins”; and where, worst of all, they were expected to raise their babies for three years, then give them up for sale to adoptive parents overseas.
This highly readable memoir tells their story, a story of the power of kindness and hope, and of the difference one young woman can make to a great many lives.

The light in the window - Poolbeg Bookstore


In fact it is a Novel written by her after she did a creative writing course back in the 1990s


- over 40 years after she was in the Home.

This severely dents its credibility as to accuracy.

It should be read not as an Historical Memoir


- but as Historical Fiction.
 

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For the record just reading The Light in the Window by June Goulding


This is frequently quoted as a memoir of her time as a junior Midwife in the Bessborough Mother & Baby Home in Cork in the early 1950s


Indeed Poolbeg Press themselves pass it off as such:

In 1951 the young June Goulding took up a position as a midwife in a home run by nuns in Bessboro, County Cork.
What she witnessed there was to haunt her for the next fifty years. It was a place of imprisonment and cruelty where women picked grass by hand and tarred roads while heavily pregnant; where they were denied contact with the outside world, denied basic medical treatment, and abused for their “sins”; and where, worst of all, they were expected to raise their babies for three years, then give them up for sale to adoptive parents overseas.
This highly readable memoir tells their story, a story of the power of kindness and hope, and of the difference one young woman can make to a great many lives.

The light in the window - Poolbeg Bookstore


In fact it is a Novel written by her after she did a creative writing course back in the 1990s


- over 40 years after she was in the Home.

This severely dents its credibility as to accuracy.

It should be read not as an Historical Memoir


- but as Historical Fiction.
 

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Minister Zappone has published Terms of Reference leading up to drafting legislation of legal options regarding DNA sampling



Minister for Children has asked special rapporteur on child protection Dr Geoffrey Shannon to provide a report within eight weeks


Tuam remains: Terms of report on DNA test options published



By Elaine Edwards



Last month, members of the Tuam Home Survivors Network called on the Government to begin collecting their DNA to eliminate any delay in returning human remains found on the site to relatives for dignified burials.

The terms of reference request the Government’s special rapporteur on child protection Dr Geoffrey Shannon, in consultation with the Minister’s officials, to consider what may be possible within the current legislative framework.

His examination is to have particular reference to “the collection of biological samples for comparison purposes and the extent to which any relevant family rights under Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights might apply”.

It will also have regard to “how best to ensure that the rights of those who wish to give biological samples could be safeguarded in respect of sensitive personal data and informed consent”.


Ms Zappone said the purpose of collecting samples would be to compare against any DNA profiles which may be generated from the juvenile human remains found at the site and, if possible, to make positive identifications.

“These issues will ultimately be addressed within the bespoke legislation that is currently being scoped by my department. [THIS SOUNDS CONTRADICTORY]


STARRY:


Before committing to undertaking new legislation they should first understand what is possible under existing legislation. The terms of reference indicate bespoke legislation will be a certainty. This sounds contradictory considering the terms of reference make it clear Minister Zappone does not even know what is possible under current legislation.
 

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The De La Salle brothers effectively cleared off out of Ireland years back when they sold up and bought a mansion in Cheshire in England to retire to.

There will be a considerable number of such sales coming to public attention over the next few years- and of course a number of the orders still owe money to the state.

And some seem to be heading off before any more shyte hits the fan. It is what mr jesus would have done, of course.
 


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