You asked about the mothers and their babies. I said some kept them because of love. I said nothing about the relationship between the girl and her parents. Nor the father of the baby and both sets of parents. Those sweet strong parents may have made the daughter and her child's lives hell on earth, and probably did.Exactly.
Weak cowardly people abandoned their daughters.
The majority didn't.
What is your alternative? A free cardboard box for the pregnant woman to live in under the motorway or a bridge? And access to a dumpster for her dinner?Personal responsibility.
All, women who got pregnant through consensual sex, , men who made women pregnant and left them ., parents who abandoned them , society who shunned them , the churches RCC, C.o I, Jews , Islam who shunned them ,
Of course now no one is responsible as women have choices,, they can have as many children as they want with as many partners as they want, even anonymous sperm donors and that animal called the state will pay. How well we have evolved
I will bump this.They still offer services to women.
Single mothers still need a place to stay when their families kick them out.
Offering a home and a good listening ear - The Irish Catholic
My alternative is a combination of more compassion and more personal responsibility.What is your alternative? A free cardboard box for the pregnant woman to live in under the motorway or a bridge? And access to a dumpster for her dinner?
Not even the wealthy will always make intelligent choices. In fact, not even the intelligent will always make intelligent choices. I doubt you want to punish the innocent baby. So left with the check, yes, the State pays.
Aren't there other threads you can frequent where one can bash welfare recipients?
The social welfare act of 1973, where unmarried mothers received a weekly allowance of 8.50 pounds was not in place in the earlier years and women and girls had no other means of support. This Act helped end the stigma around illegitimacy and brought about the closure of mother and baby homes (along with modern conveniences - the advent of the washing machine).
These women worked without pay in the combine harvester system - the religious orders profited from the long hours the women and girls worked with few breaks, no holiday.. - they were cold and hungry …. The religious orders controlled their lives from cradle to the grave. It was a business model. Yes, the state looked away and were complicit (e.g., the state did not enforce its statutory obligations: health and safety regulations, etc). In the last decade, a minister (?) said in the Dail the fact that the State has a right to inspect certain workplaces, it is not obligated to do so. Stacks of info on Castlepollard..
McAleese report referenced the Social Welfare regulations of 1979, where women and girls performing forced [slave] labour should have been paid wages. There were also legal obligations under 1930s Forced Labour Convention that prohibited forced or compulsory labour. I know Mary Raftery highlighted the Factories Inspectorate… around the time she exposed the High Park, Drumcondra, Magdalene Laundry mass grave. I haven't got time to look all this up for you. It will be over at Castlepollard thread. Do what I do, use key words to search for my posts - "prohibited under international law" "factories inspector"
Article about Paul Garlick QC ~
Petronius Apologies for misspelling your name (see above). I replied to your second post. That post was also CENSORED. I gave my opinion and fully quoted source therein. There is no plagiarism. Sources I quoted: https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/seanad/2019-02-06/15/...politics.ie
Catholicism is dying in this country and I shall enjoy pissing all over its stinking corpse.
I really enjoy watching the grey walkers shuffling in their diminishing numbers to the local temple of gloom.
I got a post removed on Castlepollard about the mental / asylum institutions. I reposted it.
This is an interesting article by Dr. Sean Lucey regarding County Homes. On 31st March, 1943, there were 583 "unmarried women" in County Homes compared to 553 in the Mother & Baby homes. There were also 1425 children in local authority institutions, primarily County Homes. The women carried out all the menial work in the homes including care of the elderly and infirm in the Homes. All of this was, of course, unpaid labour. Children were Boarded Out and in many cases were little more than slaves and treated appallingly. (Boarding Out Allowance ceased when the child was 15 and many girls were then sent to the Magdalene Laundries because there was no place else for them. Ostensibly, this was done to provide them with domestic training and many girls did go on to secure domestic service positions.). Little wonder, the State are reluctant to have any proper investigations on the Mother & Baby homes as the next investigations would be into the State's treatment of women and children in the County Homes. This would then have to be followed by investigations into the Mental Hospitals and the incarceration of thousands of people and appalling treatment. Some of the Mental Hospitals had large outside farms, certainly in Limerick, where the patients worked - again unpaid labour. We can all huff and puff and demand answers but we are only fooling ourselves. We will never get them.
“Some have no family and many have no family ties of any sort. A few come from very good homes but they have, perhaps, got into trouble and are sent here by their parents for safety. If they have a family, we try to sort things out and send them back; but as a rule they haven’t got one.”
i know a woman who had 4 daughters and 3 were pregnant before they were marriedIt's a myth that families still don't kick out unmarried girls who get pregnant