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Massacre in Kashmir:Indian soldiers kill 18 protestors.Why does the World ignore this Occupation?

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Kashmir death toll rises as protesters defy curfew

Eighteen dead and more than 100 injured in anti-India violence after the killing of a popular rebel commander

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/10/kashmir-death-toll-rises-as-protesters-defy-curfew

Once again the Kashmir has erupted into violence as India's attempts to control and occupy it face further resistance - esp from Kashmiri youth who resent what they see as Occupation by a Foreign Hindu Power

In what has been for many years now the largest and one of the bloodiest counter insurgency operations in the World (500,000 Army, police and militia deployed) and nearly 70,000 dead one really does one wonder why India gets away with it and faces hardly any pressure on the International Stage for its actions?

Compare the way Israel gets treated by way of comparison

Be sure if the Israelis shot dead 18 Muslims in a demo then the World would hear about it

Why such double standards?

India is of course a huge and diverse entity 'Planet India' as they say

- and of course there are two sides to any story

But why is one of the bloodiest conflicts of modern times and in a Land where its clear the people of Kashmir don't want to be ruled by Hindu India

- allowed to fester and be ignored by the Outside World for so long???
 


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I suppose the Indians fear that if any part is allowed to go, the whole shebang will break up. If I were in Indian Kashmir, I'd much rather have outright independence than join Pakistan right now.
 

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The most important battle going on in India at the moment is the Naxalate rising.
 

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But why is one of the bloodiest conflicts of modern times and in a Land where its clear the people of Kashmir don't want to be ruled by Hindu India

- allowed to fester and be ignored by the Outside World for so long???
By the outside world, who do you mean? Togo? Chile? USA?

Given the less than stellar success two superpowers had when they paid attention to the backwater of neighbouring Afghanistan over the past 40 years, what makes you think anyone would want to get involved in a bunfight between two nuclear powers on the same terrain?
 

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Muslims wanted partition. Sikhs and Hindus lost their homes and had to flee what is now modern Pakistan. Minorities who still live in Pakistan today are persecuted.
 

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By the outside world, who do you mean? Togo? Chile? USA?

Given the less than stellar success two superpowers had when they paid attention to the backwater of neighbouring Afghanistan over the past 40 years, what makes you think anyone would want to get involved in a bunfight between two nuclear powers on the same terrain?
I am not calling for military intervention

- just allowing the Kashmiri People decide their own Destiny

- in internationally recognised Elections
 

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I am not calling for military intervention

- just allowing the Kashmiri People decide their own Destiny

- in internationally recognised Elections

Who are "the Kashmiri people"?

Do they speak with one voice? Or is this just another example of where "the interests" of 2 countries overlap?

I find it odd that in the case of Kashmir there is never any reference to the equivalent of "the Irish people" and "the British people" that we hear about all the time in the case of Northern Ireland. As one example, many Irish nationalists never agree to things being viewed just in terms of what the people of NI want - instead the appeal is always for the wishes of a larger group ("the Irish people" to be taken into consideration with respect to "the disputed territory").

Doesn't India just pull that tactic in this scenario? India declares that the vast majority of "the Indian people" (which includes all of the people living in Kashmir) want Kashmir to remain in India. Simply on the basis that Kashmir is part of Indian territory.

There really is no resolution to this issue.
 

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Who are "the Kashmiri people"?

Do they speak with one voice? Or is this just another example of where "the interests" of 2 countries overlap?

I find it odd that in the case of Kashmir there is never any reference to the equivalent of "the Irish people" and "the British people" that we hear about all the time in the case of Northern Ireland. As one example, many Irish nationalists never agree to things being viewed just in terms of what the people of NI want - instead the appeal is always for the wishes of a larger group ("the Irish people" to be taken into consideration with respect to "the disputed territory").

Doesn't India just pull that tactic in this scenario? India declares that the vast majority of "the Indian people" (which includes all of the people living in Kashmir) want Kashmir to remain in India. Simply on the basis that Kashmir is part of Indian territory.

There really is no resolution to this issue.
In your scenario, Kashmir surely is Northern Ireland, albeit with a slightly different ethnic mix and desire to leave its current country. It would be like the UK saying no to an NI that wanted to leave.

All this stuff is certainly a grey area. Kashmir has a history as an independent entity. I would extend the right to independence as far down as is practical, certainly to Kashmir. India is a preposterously complex country. By one estimate, there are 48,000 distinct groups. It probably should not exist in its current form but leaders nearly always want their countries to be as big and powerful as possible and will use all sorts of fancy and mystical language to justify such ambition. If that doesn't work they are more than happy to use violence and make it sound like some sort of sacred duty.
 

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And still it goes on....

South Kashmir gunfight: Four civilians, soldier killed; 60 youth injured

An official said that the gunfight broke out in Wani Mohalla area of Khudwani at 11 pm after forces launched a cordon-and-search operation.


Clashes erupted near the site of the gunfight as the youth tried to disrupt the anti-militant operation and help the militants escape.


Forces fired live ammunition, pellets and tear gas to disperse the protesters, resulting into death of four civilians, reports said.


The deceased civilians were identified as Sharjeel Ahmad Sheikh (28) of Khudwani, Bilal Ahmad Tantray (16), Faisal Illahi of Melhoora Shopian and Aijaz Ahmad Palla of Bijbehara.

South Kashmir gunfight: Four civilians, soldier killed; 60 youth injured

Perhaps the Mayor of Dublin can make Kashmir the next port of call on his Tour of Asian countries

- Occupied by people of a different religion.....?

Though he probably thinks a Kashmiri is some kind of an Indian Take-Away....:|
 
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