Massereene killings - emergence of a new republican group?

seabhac siulach

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It has been widely (and blindly) accepted that the Real IRA (RIRA) carried out the Massereene killings of two British soldiers last Saturday, on the basis of a phoned claim of responsibility. But is it that simple?
It now turns out that there were two claims of responsibility for the Massereene attack, one from the RIRA and one from a little known (up to now) group calling itself Óglaigh na hÉireann.

Irish News: NEWS: Two groups claim responsibility

A few weeks previously this group (Óglaigh na hÉireann) was responsible for a large car bomb (136 kg) abandoned on the outskirts of Castlewellan, Co. Down. Its planned destination had been Ballykinler army base. It was said to be of such sophistication that it 'spooked' British army technical officers and contained previously unseen anti-handling devices (boobytraps) to prevent its disarming. It was, we are told, a step change in sophistication from anything seen thus far from either the RIRA or the CIRA and it was speculated that an old Provo bomb-maker was back in business.

This group was previously discussed on this site here:
http://www.politics.ie/northern-ireland/46440-oglaigh-na-heireann-speak-irish-news.html

Is it the sudden emergence of this group that has caused Hugh Order this week to call publicly for special undercover forces to be brought back to the six counties? A spokesman for this new group was quoted as saying that it is made up of some former Provos (and ex-RIRA members) and aimed to carry out attacks solely on British military personnel (if memory serves).

Does this group have any connection with the sudden emergence (last few weeks) of graffiti and posters for a new political grouping called the 'Republican Network for Unity' (a coming together or anti-GFA republicans from the 32 CSM, IRSP, ex-Provos)? Posters for this group, put up in republican areas, state that they oppose British imperialist wars in Ireland, Iraq and Afghanistan. We now know that the soldiers in Massereene were on the point of deploying to Afghanistan? A coincidence?

It is curious that this group, their claim for the sophisticated Ballykinlar bomb, etc., has largely been ignored by the media. A deliberate media blackout? The fact that another army base was targeted, i.e., first Ballykinlar, now Massereene, would point to their involvement, if only because the RIRA has not looked like possessing the capability of carrying out an operation such as this (cool, clinical, deadly) up to know. This attack on the British army would also tally with the aim of Óglaigh na hÉireann to only target soldiers, as up to now the RIRA and CIRA have only targetted PSNI officers (a softer target). It is widely accepted that the RIRA is tout-ridden, for example and it may be that the RIRA is now being used as a convenient catch-all for claims of responsibility on the part of British intelligence. The statement from RIRA callously describing the pizza deliverers are 'servicing' the occupying British army sounds deliberately written so as to provoke ridicule and to descredit 'dissident' republicans. But then I may be giving British intelligence too much credit and the RIRA too little...

Of course, the emergence of Óglaigh na hÉireann, allied with the call from Hugh Orde to the deployment of undercover British army operatives and 'claims' from the RIRA, may merely point to some wider, sophisticated, dirty tricks operation on the part of PSNI special branch or MI5: a sort of corralling/managing of dissident activity (even the 'allowing' of deadly operations).

In any case, I believe we should all take, with a liberal pinch of salt, any and all explanations stemming from the PSNI and the standard media outlets for what is going on. It is all likely to be a lot more complicated than the vague shadows of events that we are allowed to glimpse in the media.
 
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Seems the CIRA have claimed to have shot the policeman. 2 groups in as many days.
 
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The "RIRA" sometimes use the name Óglaigh na hÉireann when issuing statements
 

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Isn't Óglaigh na hÉireann just another name for the RIRA?
 

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The "RIRA" sometimes use the name Óglaigh na hÉireann when issuing statements
I am aware that the PIRA, RIRA, CIRA and the 26 county army all call themselves Óglaigh na hÉireann...but this is a new, separate grouping specifically styling itself Óglaigh na hÉireann with no known english acronym.
 

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Óglaigh na hÉireann is the name of the Irish Defence Forces who are the military of the Republic of Ireland and who answer to Dail Eireann.

These scum have no right to that name.
 
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No it's not. It's just the RIRA.

They seem to be using ONH to claim things they wouldn't be happy claiming as RIRAA and so they won't get the heat for the latest wave of kneecappings in Belfast.

There is another ONH which split from the CIRA a while back as well.
 

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No it's not. It's just the RIRA.

They seem to be using ONH to claim things they wouldn't be happy claiming as RIRAA and so they won't get the heat for the latest wave of kneecappings in Belfast.

There is another ONH which split from the CIRA a while back as well.
Have you read the piece in the Irish News? This group does not seem to be the RIRA, nor the split from the CIRA (of which nothing has been heard), but something different. It is confusing, I admit, as they all claim to be ONH...the real real IRA! :)
 

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Exactly when is that IRA joke going to end? I first heard Patrick Kielty say it over a decade ago.
At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter who did the shooting.
 
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Hang on, I read here that they all call themselves Oglaigh na hEireann and that 'Real' or 'continuity', and indeed 'provisional' are just media terms that have gained widespread acceptance, even by these groups supporters..
 

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Hang on, I read here that they all call themselves Oglaigh na hEireann and that 'Real' or 'continuity', and indeed 'provisional' are just media terms that have gained widespread acceptance, even by these groups supporters..
That is more or less correct. The Irish News and the author of this article is well known for deliberate misinformation, and recently claimed Republicans were involved in drug dealing, racketeering and even prostitution. A propagandist with PSF leanings trying to stir confusion. If the RIRA were not involved they'd have denied the initial statement.Read her last line in the article (about the CIRA) and remember what happened whilst she was typing.
 

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ONH is a seperate group. Its provincewide (O6C) now. Here in the West their graphiti is all over the place.



Óglaigh na hÉireann is the name of the Irish Defence Forces who are the military of the Republic of Ireland and who answer to Dail Eireann.

These scum have no right to that name.
Those using the name ONH have to be actual defenders. The Free State army has never defended Irish Nationalists in the North, but actually supplied intelligence that would further lead to their suffering and actively targeted those (The Provos) who were protecting innocent men from gangs who kidnapped and skinned alive in garages.

Get out of here with your insulting crap. Defenders of Ireland? Ha! :rolleyes::mad::mad:
 

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Those using the name ONH have to be actual defenders. The Free State army has never defended Irish Nationalists in the North, but actually supplied intelligence that would further lead to their suffering and actively targeted those (The Provos) who were protecting innocent men from gangs who kidnapped and skinned alive in garages.

Get out of here with your insulting crap. Defenders of Ireland? Ha!
You are a deluded fool.
Today thousands of people are on the march across Northern Ireland, loyalist and nationalist, unionist and republican, Protestant and Catholic, British and Irish in unity against vermin like you Border-Rat.
You represent no-one and you are alone in this world.
You are cast out into the ash heap of history.
 

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You are a deluded fool.
Today thousands of people are on the march across Northern Ireland, loyalist and nationalist, unionist and republican, Protestant and Catholic, British and Irish in unity against vermin like you Border-Rat.
You represent no-one and you are alone in this world.
You are cast out into the ash heap of history.
Notice you flat out ignore the point of free state ONH doing nothing to defend Irish kids in the North, and go on to merely call me vermin? Where did I even mention the recent attacks, I was calling out the inactions of the free state army in their role as 'defenders'.

Pathetic. They're not fitting of the name, and as well you know it when all you could do was insult me.
 

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Notice you flat out ignore the point of free state ONH doing nothing to defend Irish kids in the North, and go on to merely call me vermin? Where did I even mention the recent attacks, I was calling out the inactions of the free state army in their role as 'defenders'.

Pathetic. They're not fitting of the name, and as well you know it when all you could do was insult me.
The Republic of Ireland (it has been a fully independent republic since 1948) has no jurisdiction in Northern Ireland as long as the majority of people of Northern Ireland wish to remain UK citizens. Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and its citizens are the Queen's subjects.
 

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The Republic of Ireland (it has been a fully independent republic since 1948) has no jurisdiction in Northern Ireland as long as the majority of people of Northern Ireland wish to remain UK citizens. Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and its citizens are the Queen's subjects.
Yes, we all know the cop-out stater excuse. Then why at the time did it have a constitutional claim on the territory in question, and offer citizens within the region citizenship?

Evidently, the British army was only there to protect Unionist subjects, and even attack Nationalist subjects. Since then the Irish Army was not prepared to recognise Nationalists as neither Irish nor victims lacking protection, the only course of action would be for these victims to seek protection from the UN. Given that the British Vetoed any UN presence, I guess the conclusion for these people is 'tough luck'?

So, you're in agreement with this? To hell with them, tough luck?
 


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