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Massive tax increases,yet Irish welfare state fails to provide safe homeless shelters


patslatt

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Newstalk's on location reporter Henry McKean interviewed many homeless Dublin people yesterday. Common complaints were the scarcity of shelters and the lack of physical safety in shelters that force many homeless to prefer rough sleeping in the streets. As some of them pointed out,anyone could end up homeless due to physical and mental illness,addictions, lack of friends and relatives, and unemployment.

Given the government's massive tax increases,the Irish welfare state could easily prioritise good quality shelters for the homeless but it seems indifferent to their suffering or hopelessly inept. For example,the lack of physical safety in shelters could be dealt with by installing night vision cameras in the dormitories to identify perpetrators of criminal acts.Also,security could be provided by a security guard watching over dormitorys during 8 sleeping hours at a cost of say €15 an hour, €120 a night.

Given the constant threat to the health of the homeless,some US cities find it saves a lot of money to house them in cheap apartments compared to the costs of their hospitalisations from homelessness. Some joined up thinking is needed between the Irish councils, Social Welfare and the HSE on this issue.
 


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"Some joined up thinking is needed between the Irish councils, social welfare and the HSE on this issue" - Patslatt

Good post - Some joined up thinking is needed between the irish councils, social welfare, the HSE and NAMA on this issue, They have thousands of properties just rotting away. It's an absolute disgrace.
 

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"Some joined up thinking is needed between the Irish councils, social welfare and the HSE on this issue" - Patslatt

Good post - Some joined up thinking is needed between the irish councils, social welfare, the HSE and NAMA on this issue, They have thousands of properties just rotting away. It's an absolute disgrace.
I referred to it as zombie NAMA on its creation. To give credit where credit is due,it is doing some good things but it needs to dispose of properties a lot faster.
 

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Some joined up thinking is needed between the Irish councils, Social Welfare and the HSE on this issue.
I totally agree, I cannot even imagine what it must be like to sleep outdoors in this weather plus the homeless are a target for the skanger element. However I think we will be waiting a long long time for government departments to use joined up thinking.
 

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Most of those shelters are run by third parties are they not? Focus, Simon and the Salvation Army?
 

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I just don't understand why NAMA can't release one or several of its properties for the homeless in Dublin / main cities of Ireland. The homeless situation was highlighted again in the news last week- every hostel was full and people were being turned away. Women in crisis are also being turned away from refuge shelters because there aren't enough of them either.
 

patslatt

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Most of those shelters are run by third parties are they not? Focus, Simon and the Salvation Army?
Presumably they get charity grants from government.But the primary responsibility for the homeless is that of our rich welfare state. The grant aid needs to be sufficient to provide physical security in dormitories,the key problem.
 

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Presumably they get charity grants from government.But the primary responsibility for the homeless is that of our rich welfare state. The grant aid needs to be sufficient to provide physical security in dormitories,the key problem.
You do know the state is still running a massive deficit, right? At that I do agree more could be done on this, hopefully without spending more money that we don't have.
 

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Presumably they get charity grants from government.But the primary responsibility for the homeless is that of our rich welfare state. The grant aid needs to be sufficient to provide physical security in dormitories,the key problem.
That is my point. How do we know the grant aid is not sufficient? Maybe the fault lies with the service provider.
 

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That is my point. How do we know the grant aid is not sufficient? Maybe the fault lies with the service provider.
Lots of charities could replace inefficient providers. How hard is it to run what is essentially a high security B & B? Maybe the public servants providing the grant aid are not demanding enough,preferring what for them may be a comfortable long term relationship. Ultimate responsibility rests with the minister of social welfare and the government.
 

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Wow. OK, so Social Protection are starting to employ security guards in some of their new Intro offices as they have removed the reception desk glass screens.

Anyone know how you would get the actual costs?

Great that isn't it. Carers get their grants cut, but Welfare has money to spend on Security guards!!

Welcome to Ireland!
 

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Another thread where posters start demanding that money gets allocated as a priority to essential social services.

This thread should be sent to the zoo. The matter has already been settled.

The first priority of your tax money is to provide welfare for bank bondholders.

This thread is anti EU, and anti bank bondholder.
 

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Honestly with the amount of money Simon, focus Ireland and others involved with homeless, and all looking for more money every year, the full yearly amount raised by all should be able to buy or lease property. The more they get, the more homeless there is. As much as they hand wring it suits them to have no ending in sight. The government funds part of these charities as away of not taking the responsiblities. With foreign nationals , they are offered a flight back to their country of origin , which many refuse. How long do you go on helping people who don't want to help themselves.
 

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Honestly with the amount of money Simon, focus Ireland and others involved with homeless, and all looking for more money every year, the full yearly amount raised by all should be able to buy or lease property. The more they get, the more homeless there is. As much as they hand wring it suits them to have no ending in sight. The government funds part of these charities as away of not taking the responsiblities. With foreign nationals , they are offered a flight back to their country of origin , which many refuse. How long do you go on helping people who don't want to help themselves.
Shelter in collective dormitories catering to homeless people who are mentally unstable,addicted to drugs and alcohol or unable to cope with basic survival needs can't cost much. Proper shelters that would house people in small rooms for security reasons are generally unavailable. Apparently,the dormitories lack security,with many homeless too afraid to use them in case their few belongings are stolen.

Your assertions above about charities may be valid but are not backed up by any facts.
 

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