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Maternity co-location talks due


Schuhart

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Maternity co-location talks due

The KPMG Independent Review of Maternity and Gynaecology Services in greater Dublin, which was completed in 2008, noted that Dublin’s model of stand-alone maternity hospitals was not the norm internationally and recommended that the Dublin maternity hospitals should be co-located with adult acute services, and that one of the three new Dublin maternity facilities should be built on the site of the new national paediatric hospital. The intention has been that the National Maternity Hospital should be relocated to St Vincent’s, the Coombe to Tallaght, and the Rotunda to the Mater.
What's this all about? I thought our maternity services were the envy of the world.

Surely they should be queuing up to follow our stand-alone model, instead of us copying a model which demonstrates poorer outcomes?
'Dublin safest city in world for births' - irishhealth.com

Dr Keane, who finished his seven-year term as Master on December 31,said Holles Street was set to record its lowest ever infant mortality rate in 2004,with a corrected rate discounting congenital abnormalities of only four per 1,000 births.

Including congenital abnormalities, the perinatal mortality rate at Holles Street this year was 5.6 per 1,000.

He said a UK expert who had recently reviewed the latest clinical reports for the three Dublin maternity hospitals concluded that Dublin is the safest city in the world for a mother to have her baby, thanks to the high standards of care here.
I mean, a UK expert said this. There is no higher authority in Ireland.

So what gives?
 


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Co-location is best practice. Tri-location more so.

That we still manage to deliver a high standard of care is testament to our obstetricians and midwives.
 

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Co-location is best practice. Tri-location more so.

That we still manage to deliver a high standard of care is testament to our obstetricians and midwives.
And Ryanair and Aer Lingus. Not to mention our inability to correctly record actual figures.
 

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As a side issue does anyone know when the HSE/HIQA's inquiry in to Ms. Halappanavar is going to be published? It's gone eerily quiet....
 

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Co-location is best practice. Tri-location more so.

That we still manage to deliver a high standard of care is testament to our obstetricians and midwives.
All hail our midwives - amazing people doing an amazing job amazingly well. I love the lot of them.
 

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Co-location is best practice. Tri-location more so.

That we still manage to deliver a high standard of care is testament to our obstetricians and midwives.
But, hang on for a minute, the contention we frequently hear is our standard of care ranks among the highest in Rome.

If that's true (if that's actually true) it's absolutely not enough to pass it off as a tribute to the miraculous qualities of the Irish health professionals. Because (if it's actually true) it means we already have a model that allows the best health professionals to achieve the best results. Changing the model to conform with lower-performing systems can only screw up our high performance. They should be coming here to see how our specialist hospitals perform so well (if it's actually true).

We are much too tolerant of incoherent and inconsistent statements, which look to be tailored to justify whatever oul' yoke is happening today.
 

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But, hang on for a minute, the contention we frequently hear is our standard of care ranks among the highest in Rome.

If that's true (if that's actually true) it's absolutely not enough to pass it off as a tribute to the miraculous qualities of the Irish health professionals. Because (if it's actually true) it means we already have a model that allows the best health professionals to achieve the best results. Changing the model to conform with lower-performing systems can only screw up our high performance. They should be coming here to see how our specialist hospitals perform so well (if it's actually true).

We are much too tolerant of incoherent and inconsistent statements, which look to be tailored to justify whatever oul' yoke is happening today.
Advances in technology have been significant in healthcare in recent years. Now the trend (or best practice) is to to maximise new technology/expertise and co-locate adult/maternity/children's services. The "model" is changing along with advances in technology and learning.
 

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What's this all about? I thought our maternity services were the envy of the world.

Surely they should be queuing up to follow our stand-alone model, instead of us copying a model which demonstrates poorer outcomes?I mean, a UK expert said this. There is no higher authority in Ireland.

So what gives?
Maybe it is part of a plan to move the NMH under the wing of the St Vincent's Group so it can share that group's mission -
"The Healthcare Groups mission of care is built around the philosophy and code of ethics of the Religious Sisters of Charity"
 
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Which means more maternity units will be operating under the notorious 'ethics boards' influenced by nuns.

Prepare for more Halappanavar-style cases if that happens.
 

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Oh- and by the way the Mater Hospital is owned by the Sisters of Mercy via a limited company to which they transferred ownership a couple of years back- mysteriously being granted permission to drop the 'Ltd' from the name of the owning company by the Registrar of Companies for some unknown and unexplained reason.

'Based adjacent to one another on the northside of Dublin, the capital of the Republic of Ireland, the hospitals were established and run with the distinctive ethos of the Sisters of Mercy (Mater Hospital) and the Sisters of Charity' Mater Misericordiae University Hospital - History and Reputation
 
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Which means more maternity units will be operating under the notorious 'ethics boards' influenced by nuns.

Prepare for more Halappanavar-style cases if that happens.
hmmm you do have to walk by oversized statues of mary going in, the catholic church have pi$$ed up against the wall and marked their turf there
 

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Oh- and by the way the Mater Hospital is owned by the Sisters of Mercy via a limited company to which they transferred ownership a couple of years back- mysteriously being granted permission to drop the 'Ltd' from the name of the owning company by the Registrar of Companies for some unknown and unexplained reason.

'Based adjacent to one another on the northside of Dublin, the capital of the Republic of Ireland, the hospitals were established and run with the distinctive ethos of the Sisters of Mercy (Mater Hospital) and the Sisters of Charity' Mater Misericordiae University Hospital - History and Reputation
So what?
 

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Savitta Halappanavar, that's what.
But she didn't die in a hospital run by the Sisters of Mercy, did she? That was That was Galway University hospital was it not?
 

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Which means more maternity units will be operating under the notorious 'ethics boards' influenced by nuns.
What nuns? I see more nuns here in Germany than I ever saw in Ireland.
 

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But she didn't die in a hospital run by the Sisters of Mercy, did she? That was That was Galway University hospital was it not?
What- you mean they have nuanced policies where cases like Savitta Halappanavar are concerned? Some nuns are okay with termination as part of their 'ethics' (ie dogma) policies?
 

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What nuns? I see more nuns here in Germany than I ever saw in Ireland.
Have you been living in a cave in the Hartzburg mountains for the last ten years or what? Or are you just pretending you don't know there is something of an issue with religious control in Irish hospitals and schools?

Are we now to be treated to a display of carefully calculated ignorance of Irish news over the last ten to twenty years? Did you know for example that Bertie Ahern is an ex-employee of the sisters of mercy? And that this may have had some input into the decision to locate the new Children's Hospital?

You do realise that this group are among those who owe the state many millions in redress payments?
 
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Whats happening to the beds in the old hospital they will have to knock down? on the news it looked like the old private hospital building which is still being used?
 

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Sure, I wouldn't mind a more secular health care, and education, system in Ireland. But the fact that some Irish maternity hospitals were affiliated with religious orders didn't stop them from having good reputations for providing care so I don't see why anyone needs to home in on the nuns so much - who cares what colour the cat is, as long as it catches mice.

The Irish health care system is a bit of a mess alright, and certainly needs reforming - but blaming (non-existent) nuns for Irish government failure to do anything about it is a dangerous distraction.
 

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Did you know for example that Bertie Ahern is an ex-employee of the sisters of mercy?
Bertie was bad enough, but that's hardly the worst thing he ever did now, is it?
 

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