Maurice Hayes has died.

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He certainly packed much activity into his 90 years - the reform of policing in Northern Ireland, chairperson of the Forum on Europe, a term as Senator, and NI Ombudsman. But for all his political achievements, he'll still arguably be best remembered for his involvement in the Down footballers' first All-Ireland title in 1960. Go dtógfaidh Dia trócaire ar a h-anam.
 


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I heard Maurice speak a number of times in my college days!
Wouldn't exactly have been the same side of the coin always, but God bless him.
 

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I listened to a long interview with him a few years ago on Radio Ulster. He had a very interesting life. Unusually perhaps for a GAA man, he was on good terms with Brian Faulkner and reputedly drank whiskey with him and John Hume at the 'wake' for Sunningdale in 1974.
 

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He followed in the footsteps of another Down man who gave great service to the state, TK Whittaker.
Some years ago, I saw a fine interview he did (TG4?) about his GAA days and interaction with the unionist community at the time.
 

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RIP, he was one of the better members of the Seanad who made a real contribution. One of the reasons for keeping it in my opinion.
 
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Sam McBride of the Newsletter has put this very prescient article by Maurice Hayes in 1983 on facebook ;

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/it-s-not-disloyal-to-want-united-ireland-hayes-1-4633970
"Dr Hayes advised against border polls as they would give “grounds for triumphalism or insecurity” and suggested that a border poll should only be called when 70 per cent of the Assembly voted to request a poll and the referendum itself should then require a 70 per cent vote in favour of Irish unity before the government agreed to “open discussions with all parties, including RoI”.


that is nuts. 31% could trump 69% no consent of the governed.

may he rest in peace and all that but crazy suggestion.
 

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He was a man of great intellect but history will question if he did enough as a rare senior Catholic Civil Servant to highlight the horrific sectarianism of the Northern Statelet. Was he just content to take the Queens shilling and keep quiet for a nice life? Having said that I did respect his opinion at times. Deepest sympathy to his family. RIP.
 

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"Dr Hayes advised against border polls as they would give “grounds for triumphalism or insecurity” and suggested that a border poll should only be called when 70 per cent of the Assembly voted to request a poll and the referendum itself should then require a 70 per cent vote in favour of Irish unity before the government agreed to “open discussions with all parties, including RoI”.


that is nuts. 31% could trump 69% no consent of the governed.

may he rest in peace and all that but crazy suggestion.
Not that crazy - quite a few places had requirements that went well past 50% + 1 for major changes, including the first Constitution of the Saorstát. In fact but for the nobbling of the constitution the vote for Bunreacht would have failed. An example - the first devolution referendum in Scotland in 1979: there was a narrow majority in favour of devolution (52% to 48%), but a condition of the referendum was that 40% of the total electorate should vote in favour in order to make it valid. But the turnout was only of 63.6%, so only 32.9% of the electorate voted "Yes". And Devolutionists in Scotland were not shooting and bombing .....
 

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Not that crazy - quite a few places had requirements that went well past 50% + 1 for major changes, including the first Constitution of the Saorstát. In fact but for the nobbling of the constitution the vote for Bunreacht would have failed. An example - the first devolution referendum in Scotland in 1979: there was a narrow majority in favour of devolution (52% to 48%), but a condition of the referendum was that 40% of the total electorate should vote in favour in order to make it valid. But the turnout was only of 63.6%, so only 32.9% of the electorate voted "Yes". And Devolutionists in Scotland were not shooting and bombing .....
not seeing how hayes suggestion and your example isn't crazy.
 

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Is this the same Maurice Hayes who publicly reprimanded the working class Catholics of Portadown for being angry about the Prods being allowed to strut along the Garvaghy Road?

Is this the same Maurice Hayes who reprimanded the SDLP members of Newry and Mourne District Council for refusing use of a Council facility to the anti-Catholic bigot, Willie Frazer?

Is this the same Maurice Hayes who reprimanded the GAA for not allowing its property to be used to damage the GAA?

Is this the same Maurice Hayes who praised the behaviour of the then GAA President, Joe McDonagh who, on Holy Saturday of 1998, told the GAA Congress that "this Association cannot stand idly by from the work of reconciliation?" "Stand idly by???" If the use of that phrase was meant to be a joke at the expense of Northern Ireland Catholics, I see it as a sick joke in very bad taste.
 

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He was a man of great intellect but history will question if he did enough as a rare senior Catholic Civil Servant to highlight the horrific sectarianism of the Northern Statelet. Was he just content to take the Queens shilling and keep quiet for a nice life? Having said that I did respect his opinion at times. Deepest sympathy to his family. RIP.
He seems to have behaved well enough as a Civil Servant. In Northern Ireland, a Civil Servant has to keep well clear of politics. It was his behaviour after retirement from the Civil Service which was offensive and provocative - especially his behaviour as a journalist with Independent Newspapers. I suppose that, when writing for Independent Newspapers, he had to adapt to suit his surroundings.
 

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Not that crazy - quite a few places had requirements that went well past 50% + 1 for major changes, including the first Constitution of the Saorstát. In fact but for the nobbling of the constitution the vote for Bunreacht would have failed. An example - the first devolution referendum in Scotland in 1979: there was a narrow majority in favour of devolution (52% to 48%), but a condition of the referendum was that 40% of the total electorate should vote in favour in order to make it valid. But the turnout was only of 63.6%, so only 32.9% of the electorate voted "Yes". And Devolutionists in Scotland were not shooting and bombing .....
Why not 70 percent needed to stay in the UK?
 


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