McCabe, Callinan and McGuinness - the Missed Point

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It takes a special sort of scumbag to smear someone as a paedophile in the manner we have seen. You know the ones, that order others to do it, keeping plausible deniability between them and the smear. What makes it worse is that when you cry wolf over someone, when the real wolf comes along, no one believes them, but that's neither here nor there for the special scumbags, not their problem. I would be of the opinion that abusing power in this criminal manner should be a treasonable offence with mandatory jail time of 10 years minimum, would put an end to much of this sort of caper overnight.
I get where you are coming from, but this deserves a new thread because yiz are all missing the point of what Callinan did. He met John McGuinness - a decent enough person, by FF standards - very shortly before McGuinness was due to chair the PAC talking to McCabe.

The standard narrative was that Callinan was there to smear McCabe and discredit him in McGuinness' eyes. Seriously?

McGuinness is 60 years of age, he has been a TD for 20 years, he's a good performer and certainly no fool. He could see in seconds that the allegation was nonsense; he knew that Callinan and the garda top brass despised McCabe and if they had the slightest excuse, they would have him banged up in Mountjoy at the drop of a hat.

Callinan was not smearing McCabe. He was threatening McGuinness.

Callinan didn't need to do it overtly. He knew that McGuinness knew that McCabe was a decent guy, and telling the truth. Callinan's message was 'We can do this to him, we can do it to you too.' Like most threats, it was more powerful for being unspoken.

That is why McGuinness didn't go public on the 'meeting' straight away - he was under threat. And that is why, when Callinan was on the back foot, and no longer in a position to threaten him seriously, McGuinness mentioned the meeting in the Dáil.

And that is why, now that Callinan and his snivelling little sidekick O'Sullivan are on the ropes, McGuinnesss is freer to give more information about the substance of what Callinan said to him.
 


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Interesting point of view and it makes a lot of sense if you put yourself in McGuinness's position.
If that is the case then a lot of other people who may have been unable to comment may come out of the woodwork now.
 

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I get where you are coming from, but this deserves a new thread because yiz are all missing the point of what Callinan did. He met John McGuinness - a decent enough person, by FF standards - very shortly before McGuinness was due to chair the PAC talking to McCabe.

The standard narrative was that Callinan was there to smear McCabe and discredit him in McGuinness' eyes. Seriously?

McGuinness is 60 years of age, he has been a TD for 20 years, he's a good performer and certainly no fool. He could see in seconds that the allegation was nonsense; he knew that Callinan and the garda top brass despised McCabe and if they had the slightest excuse, they would have him banged up in Mountjoy at the drop of a hat.

Callinan was not smearing McCabe. He was threatening McGuinness.

Callinan didn't need to do it overtly. He knew that McGuinness knew that McCabe was a decent guy, and telling the truth. Callinan's message was 'We can do this to him, we can do it to you too.' Like most threats, it was more powerful for being unspoken.

That is why McGuinness didn't go public on the 'meeting' straight away - he was under threat. And that is why, when Callinan was on the back foot, and no longer in a position to threaten him seriously, McGuinness mentioned the meeting in the Dáil.

And that is why, now that Callinan and his snivelling little sidekick O'Sullivan are on the ropes, McGuinnesss is freer to give more information about the substance of what Callinan said to him.
Who knows what else was discussed. I'm not sure it deserves its own thread and McGuiness is at least partly motivated by promoting himself and sniping at Martin. Howlin stole his thunder and Callinan has long since lost his position of influence, McGuiness has been sitting on political and judicial dynamite for three odd years. The relevant point is if Callinan, knew (and McGuinness need to come out and say this, not hinting from the shadows), then of course O'Sullivan knew, and now she's lying through her teeth. The kind of arrogant power wielding scumbags and their days need to be brought to an end, pronto. The public cannot have faith in the Gardai until this is done, and justice for McCabe is achieved.
 

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I get where you are coming from, but this deserves a new thread because yiz are all missing the point of what Callinan did. He met John McGuinness - a decent enough person, by FF standards - very shortly before McGuinness was due to chair the PAC talking to McCabe.

The standard narrative was that Callinan was there to smear McCabe and discredit him in McGuinness' eyes. Seriously?

McGuinness is 60 years of age, he has been a TD for 20 years, he's a good performer and certainly no fool. He could see in seconds that the allegation was nonsense; he knew that Callinan and the garda top brass despised McCabe and if they had the slightest excuse, they would have him banged up in Mountjoy at the drop of a hat.

Callinan was not smearing McCabe. He was threatening McGuinness.

Callinan didn't need to do it overtly. He knew that McGuinness knew that McCabe was a decent guy, and telling the truth. Callinan's message was 'We can do this to him, we can do it to you too.' Like most threats, it was more powerful for being unspoken.

That is why McGuinness didn't go public on the 'meeting' straight away - he was under threat. And that is why, when Callinan was on the back foot, and no longer in a position to threaten him seriously, McGuinness mentioned the meeting in the Dáil.

And that is why, now that Callinan and his snivelling little sidekick O'Sullivan are on the ropes, McGuinnesss is freer to give more information about the substance of what Callinan said to him.

worth focusing on McGuinness's statement in Dail Eireann in May 2016

Every effort was made by those within the Garda Síochána at senior level to discredit Garda Maurice McCabe.The Garda Commissioner confided in me in a car park on the Naas Road that Garda McCabe was not to be trusted and there were serious issues about him.The vile stories that circulated about Garda McCabe, which were promoted by senior officers in the Garda, were absolutely appalling.
- Quote from McGuinness in Dail Eireann

Journal article states:
Nóirín O'Sullivan "was not aware" of secret meeting between former Garda Commissioner and PAC chairman

and in order to protect whistle-blowers
The Commissioner has recently appointed a Protected Disclosures Manager and an appropriately trained dedicated team will be established to oversee all matters related to whistleblowers.
yeah, right Noirin, your concern was/is for whistle-blowers. Excluding ones within your force, eh?

Link to article
Nóirín O'Sullivan "was not aware" of secret meeting between former Garda Commissioner and PAC chairman
 

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GJC, interesting, will have to think about this. It's depressing.
 

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I get where you are coming from, but this deserves a new thread because yiz are all missing the point of what Callinan did. He met John McGuinness - a decent enough person, by FF standards - very shortly before McGuinness was due to chair the PAC talking to McCabe.
A side note I know, but anyway.

I'm always saddened to see people who present "political" news, events & reporting, themselves displaying overt political bias.
That said and on the other hand, it's always best for there to be no doubt.
 

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Utterly depressing ...
 

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I get where you are coming from, but this deserves a new thread because yiz are all missing the point of what Callinan did. He met John McGuinness - a decent enough person, by FF standards - very shortly before McGuinness was due to chair the PAC talking to McCabe.

The standard narrative was that Callinan was there to smear McCabe and discredit him in McGuinness' eyes. Seriously?

McGuinness is 60 years of age, he has been a TD for 20 years, he's a good performer and certainly no fool. He could see in seconds that the allegation was nonsense; he knew that Callinan and the garda top brass despised McCabe and if they had the slightest excuse, they would have him banged up in Mountjoy at the drop of a hat.

Callinan was not smearing McCabe. He was threatening McGuinness.

Callinan didn't need to do it overtly. He knew that McGuinness knew that McCabe was a decent guy, and telling the truth. Callinan's message was 'We can do this to him, we can do it to you too.' Like most threats, it was more powerful for being unspoken.

That is why McGuinness didn't go public on the 'meeting' straight away - he was under threat. And that is why, when Callinan was on the back foot, and no longer in a position to threaten him seriously, McGuinness mentioned the meeting in the Dáil.

And that is why, now that Callinan and his snivelling little sidekick O'Sullivan are on the ropes, McGuinnesss is freer to give more information about the substance of what Callinan said to him.
If the above is true, what difference will it make? If the current Government / Garda structure continues the above scenario can play out again and again.
 

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Delete this thread ASAP. You can think what you said but cannot prove it so therefore cannot say it. Save yourself.
 

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Don't want GJG to get hammered. Or the site prosecuted.
 

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This is the biggest test and the most important decision Fianna Fáil have faced since the night of the Bank Guarentee. If they don't get resignations (Zappone, McBride, O'Sullivan, Fitzgerald) they have to pull the plug or the credibility of the state in the eyes of the citizens will be fatally undermined. It's hard to avoid the conclusion that every corner of the state apparatus is gangerous with filth and corruption.

How bad is it when we have to look to FF to save the state from itself. Look at Romania where the people came out on the street in their droves night after night to protest against corruption. I don't think we are far off that here. The Gardai have forfeited the right to our support and cooperation. We can't trust them and that is a nightmare. In the worst days of Haughey we could console ourselves that he was an aberration but now? The whole state stinks.
 

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McGuinness might be around a long time but he showed appalling judgement by agreeing to that secret meeting with Callinan.
 

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McGuinness might be around a long time but he showed appalling judgement by agreeing to that secret meeting with Callinan.
And did this while he was just about to head up a PAC relating to MCabe. And said nothing.

McGuinness needs to be added to the list of those who should resign. Instead he is trying to portray himself as some kind of hero. Puke.
 

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And did this while he was just about to head up a PAC relating to MCabe. And said nothing.

McGuinness needs to be added to the list of those who should resign. Instead he is trying to portray himself as some kind of hero. Puke.
In my view, what McGuinness did was certainly improper, but I think that it should be viewed in the context that - albeit two and a half years later - he put it in the public domain, defanging the ability of others to hold it over him.

Callinan was certainly applying improper pressure on McGuinness. We don't know the full details of that yet.
 


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