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Meeting on Southside Bus Lane this evening.

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There is a special city council meeting at 4pm this afternoon on the issue of providing on Green route bus lane on the south side of the city.

There is considerably vocal opposition in the immediate area which in turn has caused a number of the local cllrs to oppose the Green route. Those would be cllrs who would wish to be general election candidates at some point.

It should be electric stuff.

http://www.limerickindependent.com/local-news/local-news/city-bus-lanes-controversy-rumbles-on/

http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/residents-to-attend-vote-on-controversial-plan-for-bus-lane-128602.html
 


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The worst bit on NIBYism I've seen in many a long day. This is my bus route to work everyday and impacts hundreds if not thousands of people who need to commute from the city centre to Raheen or the Cresent Shopping Centre. Any councillor who opposes this should be taken out and shot (metaphorically).
 

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The worst bit on NIBYism I've seen in many a long day. This is my bus route to work everyday and impacts hundreds if not thousands of people who need to commute from the city centre to Raheen or the Cresent Shopping Centre. Any councillor who opposes this should be taken out and shot (metaphorically).
Just goes to show that some residents groups in Limerick are more equal than others in terms of the pressure that they can bring to bear on City Councillors.

"Mayor Maria Byrne (FG), whose main political base takes in Ballinacurra and O’Connell Avenue, is backinglocals and has tabled a notice ofmotion calling for a "more appropriate route" which will be voted on attoday’s special council meeting. "

So, she wants an alternative other than a straight out route along the wide main road. LOL

http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/residents-to-attend-vote-on-controversial-plan-for-bus-lane-128602.html

Anybody for city centre to Raheen (where Limerick county council already have the bus lanes in place to meet up with the ones from the city) via croom?
 

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Any ideas on alternatives routes, and why?

- The O'Connell street/avenue road is sufficently wide and the most direct route (1.2km from the junction of O'Connell/Mallow to Punch's cross), so what is the problem with having a bus lane?
- The only reasonable alternative, to go up by the People's park, and turn right to go via Prospect is longer (1.6km) and if memory serves will have a bottleneck towards the Punch's cross end. A slight advantage in passing by Colbert Station, perhaps...

So, overall I'd agree with the previous poster that this is pure Nimbyism...
 

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"Meeting on Southside Bus Lane this evening."

Be careful where you stand, lads. Those buses can bruise if they catch you with the wing mirror.
 

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Well most residents in the area have the option of on-street parking, which is gone if this goes ahead. I live there, and accept that some of the changes would make the road more dangerous. I would like a better bus service too, but I would prefer things as they stand.

Of course it's pure NIMBYism, but so what? Why should residents stand by and give up a the privilege of on-street parking, when many buses never arrive when I'm waiting for them?
 

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Of course it's pure NIMBYism, but so what? Why should residents stand by and give up a the privilege of on-street parking, when many buses never arrive when I'm waiting for them?
At least you have the honesty to admit that this is unadulterated NIBYism, which is more than some of the so called public representatives who I doubt have used a bus in the last year.

The reason why the buses are late is that there are two huge bottlenecks, one where the existing bus lane ends (at Crescent Shopping Centre) and one at Punches Cross. This creates a log jam that means you end up waiting for a bus for half an hour and three of them arriving at the same time.
 

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Any ideas on alternatives routes, and why?

- The O'Connell street/avenue road is sufficently wide and the most direct route (1.2km from the junction of O'Connell/Mallow to Punch's cross), so what is the problem with having a bus lane?
- The only reasonable alternative, to go up by the People's park, and turn right to go via Prospect is longer (1.6km) and if memory serves will have a bottleneck towards the Punch's cross end. A slight advantage in passing by Colbert Station, perhaps...

So, overall I'd agree with the previous poster that this is pure Nimbyism...
The whole thing got basically punted to the next council meeting as they got to 7pm and didn't vote to extend meaning that under standing orders the meeting was by default adjourned, with the motion not voted on.

I suspect there might be efforts over the next few weeks to get the city staff on board with proceeding with the bus lane on Hyde rd and with making contact with Bus Eireann about changing the current mix of routes so that more go down Hyde rd than down O'Connell Ave. The fact appears to be that people on Hyde rd actually want a bus service while those on O'Connell Ave view it as a nuisance. So I say make use of that fact. Change the priortisation of the lights at the Lild Junction to make Childer's road the main route, have the buses go down there and left area from Punches Cross into town without any buses at all.
 

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Any idea which councillors voted/spoke for/against the bus lanes?
They didn't vote but almost all of them spoke.

Against the bus lanes (in favour of the Mayor's motion)

Joe Leddin
Tom Shortt

Jim Long
Pat Kennedy
Diarmuid Scully
Denis McCarthy
Cormac Hurley
Maria Byrne


Against the motion (basically in favour of the proposed Green Lane)

Maurice Quinlavin
John Gilligan
Ginger McLoughlin
Kevin Kiely




Kieran O'Hanlon was absent
Kathleen Leddin didn't speak
Orla McLoughlin didn't really publicly take a side, but she proposed again that they adjourn.
 

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The whole thing got basically punted to the next council meeting as they got to 7pm and didn't vote to extend meaning that under standing orders the meeting was by default adjourned, with the motion not voted on.

I suspect there might be efforts over the next few weeks to get the city staff on board with proceeding with the bus lane on Hyde rd and with making contact with Bus Eireann about changing the current mix of routes so that more go down Hyde rd than down O'Connell Ave. The fact appears to be that people on Hyde rd actually want a bus service while those on O'Connell Ave view it as a nuisance. So I say make use of that fact. Change the priortisation of the lights at the Lild Junction to make Childer's road the main route, have the buses go down there and left area from Punches Cross into town without any buses at all.
This is ridiculous. Where does the bus go after Hyde road? It gets caught in the Mallow Street log jam and caught at the Park, turning a twenty minute run into a 30+ run.

Even if the proceed with this, they are still going have the problem of having the Crescent to Punches Cross section to convert to a bus lane, so only well well heeled people on O'Connell Ave. (All off whom have garden big enough to take a car) get their say. DREADFUL NIMBYism.
 

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They didn't vote but almost all of them spoke.

Against the bus lanes (in favour of the Mayor's motion)

Joe Leddin
Tom Shortt

Jim Long
Pat Kennedy
Diarmuid Scully
Denis McCarthy
Cormac Hurley
Maria Byrne


Against the motion (basically in favour of the proposed Green Lane)

Maurice Quinlavin
John Gilligan
Ginger McLoughlin
Kevin Kiely




Kieran O'Hanlon was absent
Kathleen Leddin didn't speak
Orla McLoughlin didn't really publicly take a side, but she proposed again that they adjourn.
Did 2 labour cllrs really speak against the proposed Bus Lane? Thats a disgrace but hardly surprising no bottle
 

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The exact same crap was spouted about the Dublin QBC program with "traffic chaos" predicted in Donnybrook and other places. None of this materialised. What did materialise was a set of very good, reliable bus services for Dubliners where these schemes were implemented. It's time other Irish cities learnt lessons from the capital, good and bad. I have no idea why Limerick would ignore the benefit of such measures but take on board all the terrible things that Dublin did over the years.
 

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This is ridiculous. Where does the bus go after Hyde road? It gets caught in the Mallow Street log jam and caught at the Park, turning a twenty minute run into a 30+ run.

Even if the proceed with this, they are still going have the problem of having the Crescent to Punches Cross section to convert to a bus lane, so only well well heeled people on O'Connell Ave. (All off whom have garden big enough to take a car) get their say. DREADFUL NIMBYism.
If the bus lane has to go down mallow Street that'll be an absolute joke. Surely if this was the case some regulator would intervene and stop this nonsense.
 

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They didn't vote but almost all of them spoke.

Against the bus lanes (in favour of the Mayor's motion)

Joe Leddin
Tom Shortt

Jim Long
Pat Kennedy
Diarmuid Scully
Denis McCarthy
Cormac Hurley
Maria Byrne


Against the motion (basically in favour of the proposed Green Lane)

Maurice Quinlavin
John Gilligan
Ginger McLoughlin
Kevin Kiely




Kieran O'Hanlon was absent
Kathleen Leddin didn't speak
Orla McLoughlin didn't really publicly take a side, but she proposed again that they adjourn.
Thats bizzare.

Tom Shortt was under no pressure from the well heeled residents of O'Connell avenue. Whats got into him?

Just goes to show how little has changed in Limerick over the years. The well off areas can still get councillors to do their bidding without any regard for the overall good of the city.

Its no wonder that Limerick is going down the tubes with the low caliber of local & national politicians that we elect.
 

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Of course it's pure NIMBYism, but so what? Why should residents stand by and give up a the privilege of on-street parking, when many buses never arrive when I'm waiting for them?
"Privilege" is the key word here. A relatively small number of residents currently enjoy the use of the public road as storage for their private cars. The proposal is to redistribute this part of the commons so that a much larger group of people, bus passengers, can reach their places of employment or economic and social activity more quickly and comfortably, and an even larger group of people again, the general citizenry, can enjoy the environmental benefits of a reduced number of cars on the road.

The residents will certainly lose something which has been of great benefit to them, but it is not something to which they have any automatic right or title. Public space has to be managed for the greatest possible public good. Whether your own bus arrived when you were waiting for it or not is pretty much irrelevant - some buses obviously do arrive as buses and bus passengers exist.
 

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"Privilege" is the key word here. A relatively small number of residents currently enjoy the use of the public road as storage for their private cars.

But where are residents of O'Connell Avenue supposed to park ? Surely it is not a "privilege" to be able to park outside a house where your family has lived for decades.
 

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But where are residents of O'Connell Avenue supposed to park ? Surely it is not a "privilege" to be able to park outside a house where your family has lived for decades.
Almost all the O'Connell Ave. have gardens deep enough to accommodate at least one car. On street car parking is a privilege and the needs of the great number of people should take priority. It's an absolute mess around The Mount when the schools are open. You could walk it faster between the monument and Punches Cross.

Maybe if a few cars were keyed some night, the rsidents might want to take them off the road for security reasons.
 
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This is ridiculous. Where does the bus go after Hyde road? It gets caught in the Mallow Street log jam and caught at the Park, turning a twenty minute run into a 30+ run.

Even if the proceed with this, they are still going have the problem of having the Crescent to Punches Cross section to convert to a bus lane, so only well well heeled people on O'Connell Ave. (All off whom have garden big enough to take a car) get their say. DREADFUL NIMBYism.
The idea is that the bus doesn't need go near O'Connell street at all. Make the bus station the main stop and have the bus go down Roches st and back around that way. Fact is O'Connell st is going to be pedestrianised as it is, so the buses won't be outside BT's for that much more time anyway.
 

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The idea is that the bus doesn't need go near O'Connell street at all. Make the bus station the main stop and have the bus go down Roches st and back around that way. Fact is O'Connell st is going to be pedestrianised as it is, so the buses won't be outside BT's for that much more time anyway.
That pedestrianisation was supposed to be done in 2008. Two years later and nothing has happened.

The whole area around the station is already chaotic without bringing more buses into the equation and dropping people at the station where they are streets away from the shops is a nonsense idea.

The solution is clear. The bus lane should continue all the way to the monument.
 


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