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Meeting on Southside Bus Lane this evening.

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Almost all the O'Connell Ave. have gardens deep enough to accommodate at least one car. On street car parking is a privilege and the needs of the great number of people should take priority. It's an absolute mess around The Mount when the schools are open. You could walk it faster between the monument and Punches Cross.

Schools can have that effect right enough, and not just at the Mount. I can think of some stretches on that bus route where a fair amount of demolition would be required to get cars off the street. Many of those houses are old (and large)and pre-date household requirements for more than one car. Surely that opposition is for very real and practical domestic reasons rather than any aversion to a bus lane.
 


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Schools can have that effect right enough, and not just at the Mount. I can think of some stretches on that bus route where a fair amount of demolition would be required to get cars off the street. Many of those houses are old (and large)and pre-date household requirements for more than one car. Surely that opposition is for very real and practical domestic reasons rather than any aversion to a bus lane.
There are very few houses on O'Connell Ave. that do not have the space to accommodate at least one car. Also there are plenty of side streets like Roden and Quin Street. Why should a small group of well heeled people who can get our so called public representatives to do their bidding be allowed to hold up the transport plan for the city.

Limerick city is in rapid and seemingly irreversible decline and the councillors are giving priority to STOPPING people from getting into and out of the city as quickly as possible.
 

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Why should a small group of well heeled people who can get our so called public representatives to do their bidding be allowed to hold up the transport plan for the city.
Being well heeled is hardly relevant........or maybe it is. Many of the houses are terraced with just one small gateway. This a big deal for residents. Are you able to park outside your own house ?
 

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Being well heeled is hardly relevant........or maybe it is. Many of the houses are terraced with just one small gateway. This a big deal for residents. Are you able to park outside your own house ?
Being well heeled is relevant if you are buying politicians. It's clear that anyone opposing the bus lane is working for the interests of a small minority.

I live in the city centre and pay for parking as part of my rent. This may be a solution for O'Connell Ave. As well. A car park in some publicly owned land like the barracks for those who don't want to use their garden space.

As has been said previously on this thread. There was a similar outcry in Dublin when the bus lanes went in. Now everyone appreciates that they are the way to go. Opposing them is simply small town parish pump thinking by a council who are prepared to sit back and let the city die.
 

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Being well heeled is relevant if you are buying politicians. It's clear that anyone opposing the bus lane is working for the interests of a small minority.

I live in the city centre and pay for parking as part of my rent. This may be a solution for O'Connell Ave. As well. A car park in some publicly owned land like the barracks for those who don't want to use their garden space.

As has been said previously on this thread. There was a similar outcry in Dublin when the bus lanes went in. Now everyone appreciates that they are the way to go. Opposing them is simply small town parish pump thinking by a council who are prepared to sit back and let the city die.

I take your point, although in Dublin there are very few private houses on those roads and those that are there have driveways so that residents never parked out anyway so there was no great pain for residents on the routes, in south Dublin anyway. Mind you I can think of one or two residents of O'Connell Avenue who might have got up a few noses recently.
 

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There is a clear alternative route available which is to make the remainder of the South Circular Road one way from Ballincurra to the New Street and from Quinn Street to Mallow Street giving clear passage to buses. The Ballinacurra/O'Connell Avenue bus lane places an unfair burden on the residents of that area many of whom would have no alternative parking should the proposed bus lane go ahead.
 

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There is a clear alternative route available which is to make the remainder of the South Circular Road one way from Ballincurra to the New Street and from Quinn Street to Mallow Street giving clear passage to buses. The Ballinacurra/O'Connell Avenue bus lane places an unfair burden on the residents of that area many of whom would have no alternative parking should the proposed bus lane go ahead.

Your not seriously suggesting putting buses down the narrow SCR, with the schools etc,?

I've seen crazy ideas in my time but that takes the biscuit.
 

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Your not seriously suggesting putting buses down the narrow SCR, with the schools etc,?

I've seen crazy ideas in my time but that takes the biscuit.
If it's a one way street with no opposing traffic what's the problem, there used to be a bus route there before turning at the New Street and many buses collecting students from Mary Immaculate use it every Friday during term time.
 

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If it's a one way street with no opposing traffic what's the problem, there used to be a bus route there before turning at the New Street and many buses collecting students from Mary Immaculate use it every Friday during term time.
The street is too narrow and the schools etc. are now bringing far more traffic onto it than before. You would also have to do away with all on street parking there, so just moving the issue.
 

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There is a special city council meeting at 4pm this afternoon on the issue of providing on Green route bus lane on the south side of the city.

There is considerably vocal opposition in the immediate area which in turn has caused a number of the local cllrs to oppose the Green route. Those would be cllrs who would wish to be general election candidates at some point.

It should be electric stuff.

City bus lanes controversy rumbles on - Limerick Independent News

Residents to attend vote on controversial plan for bus lane | Irish Examiner
The usual collection of "i,m alright jackateers".
 

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The street is too narrow and the schools etc. are now bringing far more traffic onto it than before. You would also have to do away with all on street parking there, so just moving the issue.
Like the city manger, you too have a closed mind to any alternative proposal, his main objection seems to be that if he doesn't spent millions now on what is an essentially wasteful project with no real benefit to commuters, he fears future funding from central Government will be curtailed for other road projects.
Most or the delays on the route were always at the Crescent Shopping Centre roundabout in the mornings, there are very few delays along the rest of the route that are not caused by traffic lights which will still be there if the proposal goes ahead. The most serious delays on this route are actually in the evening on the outward journey from to the City Centre to Raheen which this proposal does not address at all.
 

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Like the city manger, you too have a closed mind to any alternative proposal, his main objection seems to be that if he doesn't spent millions now on what is an essentially wasteful project with no real benefit to commuters, he fears future funding from central Government will be curtailed for other road projects.
Most or the delays on the route were always at the Crescent Shopping Centre roundabout in the mornings, there are very few delays along the rest of the route that are not caused by traffic lights which will still be there if the proposal goes ahead. The most serious delays on this route are actually in the evening on the outward journey from to the City Centre to Raheen which this proposal does not address at all.
There is no alternative that comes anywhere close to the current proposal. The SCR is too narrow and would also require people that currently have on street parking to make alternative arrangments. The Hyde Road hits a bottleneck at the People's Park and at the Childer's Road junction.

Most of the delays are not at the Crescent Shopping Centre, Punches Cross is far far bigger problem. The eveing problems have eased somewhat with the tunnel as more people are now using the Dock Road.
 
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There is no alternative that comes anywhere close to the current proposal. The SCR is too narrow and would also require people that currently have on street parking to make alternative arrangments. The Hyde Road hits a bottleneck at the People's Park and at the Childer's Road junction.

Most of the delays are not at the Crescent Shopping Centre, Punches Cross is far far bigger problem. The eveing problems have eased somewhat with the tunnel as more people are now using the Dock Road.
There doesn't need to bee a bottleneck at the People's park buses should simply go past the station or turn around there. A reconfiguration of the plaza in station is due anyway.

Also the bottleneck at the Childer's road could be easily sorted by prioritising the out bound lights. Inbound shouldn't be a bottleneck.

Also, I've been given to wondering after the suggestion by someone that we don't get some Imp services long the inner orbital route that would connect up with the suburban services.
 

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There doesn't need to bee a bottleneck at the People's park buses should simply go past the station or turn around there. A reconfiguration of the plaza in station is due anyway.
Turning around isn't an option because you are dropping and picking people up several blocks from the city centre. For the most used bus service in the city, that's ridiculous. Going past means bringing even more traffic down the Roches Street bottleneck, another bad idea.

Also the bottleneck at the Childer's road could be easily sorted by prioritising the out bound lights. Inbound shouldn't be a bottleneck.
Inbound is already a huge problem. It's not uncommon for the tailback to go all the way from the Hyde Road turn back to the Ballinacurra Road. That junction has seen a major increase in traffic since it's now a major rat run for people coming off the bypass and into the city, as the Roxboro entry was blocked off.

No matter which way you cut it there is no better alternative that the straightest and widest road into the city.

As a matter of interest, I was looking at the houses along the route this morning. Bar a handul of houses near the monument, evey other house has an entry that could fit at least one car.
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Turning around isn't an option because you are dropping and picking people up several blocks from the city centre. For the most used bus service in the city, that's ridiculous. Going past means bringing even more traffic down the Roches Street bottleneck, another bad idea.



Inbound is already a huge problem. It's not uncommon for the tailback to go all the way from the Hyde Road turn back to the Ballinacurra Road. That junction has seen a major increase in traffic since it's now a major rat run for people coming off the bypass and into the city, as the Roxboro entry was blocked off.

No matter which way you cut it there is no better alternative that the straightest and widest road into the city.

As a matter of interest, I was looking at the houses along the route this morning. Bar a handul of houses near the monument, evey other house has an entry that could fit at least one car.
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Will the Council pay for the building work at each house, e.g. removal of railings, tiling parking areas etc ?
 

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There is no alternative that comes anywhere close to the current proposal. The SCR is too narrow and would also require people that currently have on street parking to make alternative arrangments. The Hyde Road hits a bottleneck at the People's Park and at the Childer's Road junction.

Most of the delays are not at the Crescent Shopping Centre, Punches Cross is far far bigger problem. The eveing problems have eased somewhat with the tunnel as more people are now using the Dock Road.
There is only one section of the South Circular Road that might be considered too narrow and that is directly opposite St. Philomena's School but this could easily be remedied by widening the road there as they have recently just beyond it in front of St. Clement's School, most of the on street parking could easily be allowed to remain as the road would generally be wide enough when there is no opposing traffic coming towards you. I'm not proposing a dedicated bus lane on the South Circular Road just a rerouting of buses to the SCRd from their current route.

The bus lane will still have to end a few hundred yards before Punches Cross to facilitate those cars turning left into the New Street so unless they ban cars from turning left, there will be little or no benefit to buses at Punches Cross.

Use of the tunnel should have the same benefit to inward traffic in the morning, it has already been suggested to the city manager that he would be better advised to wait and see what changes use of the tunnel brings to traffic flow and congestion before spending millions of euro on a project which would appear to surplus to requirements now that the tunnel will probably drastically reduce traffic on the proposed route.
 

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New campaign launched

For people who are in favour of the original proposal for bus lanes on O'Connell Avenue and Ballinacurra, a few of us got together and launched a campaign last night: Get Limerick Moving

Any help in getting the word out would be appreciated. The most important thing is that people contact their local councillors (whatever your views!), you can find a list here or here (second link is PDF).

There is a facebook page as well.

Thanks in advance for any help you can give in getting the word out there. We appreciate that it's a contentious issue, but we feel that an awful lot of people support the bus lanes whose voices haven't been heard up til now.
 
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There is a special city council meeting at 4pm this afternoon on the issue of providing on Green route bus lane on the south side of the city.

There is considerably vocal opposition in the immediate area which in turn has caused a number of the local cllrs to oppose the Green route. Those would be cllrs who would wish to be general election candidates at some point.

It should be electric stuff.

City bus lanes controversy rumbles on - Limerick Independent News

Residents to attend vote on controversial plan for bus lane | Irish Examiner
Well naming it the "Green route" would only garner votes against it as some folks would confuse the route name and associate it with the Green/Ffers and immediatley vote against and or lobby their cllr's to vote against it to show their disgust at the vilest bunch of sleazy politicians ever elected.
 

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They get to store their private cars on land that is owned and maintained at public expense. How is that not a privilege?

They may have a legal right so to do. Custom and practice over generations.
 


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