Men of 1916 were "constitutional republicans" - Micheal Martin



Se0samh

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Republicans existed long before Bloody Sunday.
We don't apply to renew our annual membership to any Brit registered political party.
And they usually had to use force, as the Brits ignored everything else...the idea that Pearse, Connolly et al were opposed necessarily, to violence is not only ludicrous but is self-evidently wrong...1916, anyone....
 

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And they usually had to use force, as the Brits ignored everything else...the idea that Pearse, Connolly et al were opposed necessarily, to violence is not only ludicrous but is self-evidently wrong...1916, anyone....
Some of the clowns on here think the incidents in and around the GPO in 1916 were a post office robbery gone wrong.
 

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Yes -well if by united Ireland you mean the modern version of that, which is a united Ireland outside the UK then you are of course , quite correct. A united Ireland with Home Rule was however only narrowly defeated at the Convention and this without any persuasive actions by the British who had the wherewithal to cajole/threaten Unionism into accepting this with bells on.. What would the Unionists have done if the British side had shown any seriousness whatever about getting them to agree to Home Rule-if there was even a whisper that the British would not support partition in any circumstances unless Unionists did their bit to compromise? Of course they would have been forced to go along with it and many wanted this for other reasons as well.

The question is -why did the British fail to act in their own interests and I'm afraid that this has something of an echo in modern times with the current antics in London. Firstly they failed to identify what their interests were. Secondly they failed to correctly identify the threat to those interests. Thirdly they failed to overcome their prejudices and fourthly they likely lacked the 'bandwidth' to run an empire, fight a world war and hold on to a large part of the mother country at the same time. It has to be said also that there were many roadblocks to overcome after HR was successfully installed any one of which might have scuppered the whole exercise as well but had they managed to negotiate the first hurdle it might have suggested that they had the tools to keep going.
Hang on a minute, no one was suggesting unionism accept a "modern" version of a UI .. What was on the table and had been passed by HoC and reneged on was "Home Rule" .. nothing more and nothing less.... and ulster unionism signed a covenant in blood against it & created and armed the UVF with German guns .. but for some reason you think the British, while sidestepping & allowing their own British Army mutiny to facilitate the UVFs & ultimately Ulster Unionism' actions, could or indeed would have talked them into it :rolleyes: jaysus
Honestly, the naivety in your thinking is absolutely astounding
 
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