Merkel v Kenny: political and economic Union or bust

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The stakes could hardly be greater. Maybe Enda Kenny knows that. Merkel certainly does. Euro fails, Europe fails, she says. To save it we must have political and economic union. Much more than casting a glance over our draft budget there. Will she get her wish?

German chancellor Angela Merkel said today the euro's troubles offered a chance for the European Union to strengthen its economic and political union, not just its common currency.

Speaking at a ceremony in Aachen where Polish prime minister Donald Tusk was awarded the Charlemagne Prize for furthering European unity, Ms Merkel said the future of the EU was at stake in the challenges to its monetary amalgamation.

"If the euro fails, not only the currency fails. Europe fails too, and the idea of European unification. We have a common currency, but no common political and economic union. And this is exactly what we must change. To achieve this - therein lies the opportunity of this crisis,” she said.

"This test is existential - it must be passed."
Merkel warns future of EU at stake - The Irish Times - Thu, May 13, 2010

Will the Merkel test be 'passed'?

What if Enda has his way?

Enda yesterday:

"Mr Kenny said the proposals would amount to the handing over of sovereignty of the State and the running of Irish affairs “to peer groups, depending on their political whim, in the EU council of ministers”.

Speaking in the Dáil today, Mr Kenny said the budgetary proposals were “completely contrary” to the newly enacted Lisbon Treaty.

“The proposals mean the political bias of the council, at any particular time, could influence what is being talked about here,” he said.

He called on Taoiseach Brian Cowen to give assurances “that in no circumstances would the Government had over sovereignty for the running of our economy to anybody else”."
 
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Looks to me that Frau Merkel is bust, politically at least.

The stoopid beech allowed hundres of Billions belonging to German pension funds, to be gambled in the housing markets of the PIIGS, and now she expects the rest of Europe to bail her out.

She has the clout to get the printing press churning out another Trillion Euro, but all this money will have to be accounted for in the end. That is the big picture, when the money has to be repaid to the ECB, which country can afford to pay back the money owed and still remain solvent.
 

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kenny was one of the people calling for a 'yes' to lisbon and were the first to criticise us up here for voting correctly a saying 'no'. stupid bas7ards have sold us all out to save the ar5es of a few bent bankers!
 

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To compare Angel Merkel to Enda Kenny is comical
Kenny is a light weight political bandwagon-jumper trying to get one up on FF at all costs
Merkel is a European stateswoman seeking to secure the future of the Euro
 

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To compare Angel Merkel to Enda Kenny is comical
Kenny is a light weight political bandwagon-jumper trying to get one up on FF at all costs
Merkel is a European stateswoman seeking to secure the future of the Euro
And she's the one wearing the trousers.
 
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To compare Angel Merkel to Enda Kenny is comical
Kenny is a light weight political bandwagon-jumper trying to get one up on FF at all costs
Merkel is a European stateswoman seeking to secure the future of the Euro
Merkel says that she wants to save it, but her actions over the last few months do not suggest that. Can anyone please explain why there is so little information coming out regarding the proposed bailout. They seem to be intent on conveying the most confused and ineffectual face on it.

The Vice chancellor in Germany has echoed comments similar to Kenny's, as has the French Finance spokesperson and the Swedish PM.

I don't think that it is that hard to get one up on FF, do you?.
 
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kenny was one of the people calling for a 'yes' to lisbon and were the first to criticise us up here for voting correctly a saying 'no'. stupid bas7ards have sold us all out to save the ar5es of a few bent bankers!
Agreed, his party have had an idealogical loyalty to Europe, that prior to this did not seem to allow any critical thought regarding. I wonder how deep this new found ability to reason is though.
 

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twice the germans tried to annex europe by hostile means, now they're trying to buy it
 
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twice the germans tried to annex europe by hostile means, now they're trying to buy it
I think it's more a case that the rest of us are trying to sell it to them! Anyway, what Merkel says makes perfect sense - Enda can have Achill Island as his independent fiefdom if he wants, I want to be a part of a modern Europe.
 

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To compare Angel Merkel to Enda Kenny is comical
Kenny is a light weight political bandwagon-jumper trying to get one up on FF at all costs
Merkel is a European stateswoman seeking to secure the future of the Euro
Enda Kenny is comical Kenny is a light weight political bandwagon-jumper trying to get one up on FF at all costs

Correct - Komical Kenny is indeed a National joke!:oops:

Merkel is a European stateswoman seeking to secure the future of the Euro

Not quite correct - Frau Merkel wishes to see the Franco-Germanic Pact agreed in the wake of WWII to be fully implemented - with Germany in the driving seat of course!:)
 

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I think it's more a case that the rest of us are trying to sell it to them! Anyway, what Merkel says makes perfect sense - Enda can have Achill Island as his independent fiefdom if he wants, I want to be a part of a modern Europe.
Will you continue to live in Ireland as part of modern Europe ?
 

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I think it's more a case that the rest of us are trying to sell it to them! Anyway, what Merkel says makes perfect sense - Enda can have Achill Island as his independent fiefdom if he wants, I want to be a part of a modern Europe.
Methinks you're in a minority, Irish people for many historical reasons have much more in common with USA and UK, joining euro was a disaster, we had milked europe for all benefits we were ever goin to get at that stage and should have aligned with sterling
 

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I live in Spain - so I suppose I'm still a PIG. Don't know what point you're making
The pain in Ireland will be very real for a long time to come, as prices and services adjust.

My feelings about Spain is that it could very easy go back to the Pesata and deal with Latin America and the U.S. and tell the Euro to get stuffed. pocketing 400 billion of German pension funds.

And still the Germans will go to Spain and take over the sun-loungers.
 

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I think it's more a case that the rest of us are trying to sell it to them! Anyway, what Merkel says makes perfect sense - Enda can have Achill Island as his independent fiefdom if he wants, I want to be a part of a modern Europe.
In other words you want to be a voteless serf. Well I don't.
 
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Methinks you're in a minority, Irish people for many historical reasons have much more in common with USA and UK, joining euro was a disaster, we had milked europe for all benefits we were ever goin to get at that stage and should have aligned with sterling
Some vague alignment with sterling would be no better than half-assed membership of the eurozone.
 

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The pain in Ireland will be very real for a long time to come, as prices and services adjust.

My feelings about Spain is that it could very easy go back to the Pesata and deal with Latin America and the U.S. and tell the Euro to get stuffed. pocketing 400 billion of German pension funds.

And still the Germans will go to Spain and take over the sun-loungers.
We should do something similar. We are doomed in the EURO. Political and monetary union will leave us an inconsequential backwater
 
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Some vague alignment with sterling would be no better than half-assed membership of the eurozone.
We might want to be members of the Euro, but there is no guarantee that it will survive. That is the main question now, does it have a future.
 
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The pain in Ireland will be very real for a long time to come, as prices and services adjust.

My feelings about Spain is that it could very easy go back to the Pesata and deal with Latin America and the U.S. and tell the Euro to get stuffed. pocketing 400 billion of German pension funds.

And still the Germans will go to Spain and take over the sun-loungers.
You're right about the sun loungers - but the Irish figured out a countermove years ago - the Germans got up at 6 and booked them, then the Iriah came back from the pub at 6.30 and "re-assigned" ownership:lol:
I don't see Spain pulling out but you're observation about Latin America is interesting - most people like ourselves don't realise the extent of the affinity between Spain and South/Latin America - but, they don't like the Yanks.
 


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