Mexico's fascinating election.

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Mexicans go to the polls today to vote for a new president in an election expected to hand power to an anti-establishment outsider who could sharpen divisions with Donald Trump’s United States.

Former Mexico City mayor Andrés Manuel Lopéz Obrador has been leading in opinion polls throughout the campaign and would be the first leftist to take the presidency in decades in Mexico if he ousts the ruling centrist Partido Revolucionario Institucional (PRI).

Irish observers of Mexican affairs will note extraordinary similarities between the PRI and Fianna Fáil. For seven decades they were the "natural party of government" sounding sufficiently left of centre to keep enough of the lower classes on board whilst simultaneously keeping themselves well in with the business classes. As with Fianna Fáil, that particular model doesn't seem to work any more which is where Señor Lopéz Obrador comes in.

It's ironic that much of the discussion has centred around the likelihood that Señor Lopéz Obrador's approach will lead to divisions with Donald Trump. The two of them have much in common such as an overweening belief not just in their own abilities but even in a sense of fixed destiny to bring about extraordinary changes in their respective countries. He's also hypersensitive to criticism.

This morning has brought widespread allegations of voter fraud. It will be extraordinary - considering the opinion polls - if Lopéz Obrador doesn't win but natural parties of government really hate losing elections.

RTÉ News: Mexico to vote for new president
 


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Mexicans go to the polls today to vote for a new president in an election expected to hand power to an anti-establishment outsider who could sharpen divisions with Donald Trump’s United States.

Former Mexico City mayor Andrés Manuel Lopéz Obrador has been leading in opinion polls throughout the campaign and would be the first leftist to take the presidency in decades in Mexico if he ousts the ruling centrist Partido Revolucionario Institucional (PRI).

Irish observers of Mexican affairs will note extraordinary similarities between the PRI and Fianna Fáil. For seven decades they were the "natural party of government" sounding sufficiently left of centre to keep enough of the lower classes on board whilst simultaneously keeping themselves well in with the business classes. As with Fianna Fáil, that particular model doesn't seem to work any more which is where Señor Lopéz Obrador comes in.

It's ironic that much of the discussion has centred around the likelihood that Señor Lopéz Obrador's approach will lead to divisions with Donald Trump. The two of them have much in common such as an overweening belief not just in their own abilities but even in a sense of fixed destiny to bring about extraordinary changes in their respective countries. He's also hypersensitive to criticism.

This morning has brought widespread allegations of voter fraud. It will be extraordinary - considering the opinion polls - if Lopéz Obrador doesn't win but natural parties of government really hate losing elections.

RTÉ News: Mexico to vote for new president
Donald Trump has had an effect in this election.

As well as the issues of violence and corruption, Mexicans are generally aghast at what they see as a totally inadequate response by the ruling party to Trump's hectoring and bullying. Amlo has promised to change that.

Amlo has been portray as a populist of the left. Political enemies label him as an Hugo Chavez, but most observers say he is closer to the Brazilian Lula da Silva, whose term as President of Brazil (2003-2011) was marked by some economic relief for the poorer classes. Lula is currently serving a sentence in jail for bribery.

Of course, Amlo may just make matters worse by engaging negatively with Trump. But given Trump's chaotic style and weakness for autocrats, they two may hit it off.

But there should be no need to poke a stick in the eye of a unrepentant bigot who is angry and furious with Mexico already. But that is what may happen.
 

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John Oliver did a good price on it last week

[video=youtube;8-hahRWhFvg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-hahRWhFvg[/video]
 

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John Oliver did a good price on it last week

[video=youtube;8-hahRWhFvg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-hahRWhFvg[/video]
"Real multi-party democracy is a new thing [in Mexico]"

....which still puts them ahead of the USA.

And Bernie Sanders's attempt at Spanish was so bad it was hilarious. :lol:
 

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Donald Trump has had an effect in this election.

As well as the issues of violence and corruption, Mexicans are generally aghast at what they see as a totally inadequate response by the ruling party to Trump's hectoring and bullying. Amlo has promised to change that.

Amlo has been portray as a populist of the left. Political enemies label him as an Hugo Chavez, but most observers say he is closer to the Brazilian Lula da Silva, whose term as President of Brazil (2003-2011) was marked by some economic relief for the poorer classes. Lula is currently serving a sentence in jail for bribery.

Of course, Amlo may just make matters worse by engaging negatively with Trump. But given Trump's chaotic style and weakness for autocrats, they two may hit it off.

But there should be no need to poke a stick in the eye of a unrepentant bigot who is angry and furious with Mexico already. But that is what may happen.
Fiscally, he's actually quite conservative. He does have the air of being an all-things-to-all-people kind of candidate.....which makes it more likely that he and Trump will hit it off. Trump likes people who say nice things about him. He reacts with undisguised fury to those who challenge him on details - hence, for example, his spittle-flecked rage at Justin Trudeau. I don't think that López Obrador is that kind of guy so he and Trump might get along very well indeed.
 

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AMLO wins in a landslide as predicted, good news but problem he has to wait to December 1st to take office . Just trying to get the violence and corruption under control will be the huge priority . I had no idea they would have to wait so long . TelesurDotNet and Real News network have the best coverage I have seen in English from pro AMLO viewpoints

His NEW party MORENA + allies (Labour party and a social conservative one) are also on course to win a landslide in the Lower chamber and a majority in the Senate and maybe a majority of state governorships ? See the Spanish section
 

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AMLO wins in a landslide as predicted, good news but problem he has to wait to December 1st to take office . Just trying to get the violence and corruption under control will be the huge priority . I had no idea they would have to wait so long .
Well, the incumbents need time to bury the bodies. Unfortunately in Mexico's case that's usually literal.

I worked there a few times, always loved it, even in the border towns in better days, but it's a horrifically violent place now.
 

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Another hard core leftist gets elected, what could possibly go wrong?
If Latin American govts could address extreme, unjustified inequality and the corruption behind it then there wouldn't be these populist lurches from right to left.
 

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Donald Trump has had an effect in this election.

As well as the issues of violence and corruption, Mexicans are generally aghast at what they see as a totally inadequate response by the ruling party to Trump's hectoring and bullying. Amlo has promised to change that.

Amlo has been portray as a populist of the left. Political enemies label him as an Hugo Chavez, but most observers say he is closer to the Brazilian Lula da Silva, whose term as President of Brazil (2003-2011) was marked by some economic relief for the poorer classes. Lula is currently serving a sentence in jail for bribery.

Of course, Amlo may just make matters worse by engaging negatively with Trump. But given Trump's chaotic style and weakness for autocrats, they two may hit it off.

But there should be no need to poke a stick in the eye of a unrepentant bigot who is angry and furious with Mexico already. But that is what may happen.
Naaaahhhhhhh.....the Kremlin had a Gremlin to hack the Mexican election.....
 

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If Latin American govts could address extreme, unjustified inequality and the corruption behind it then there wouldn't be these populist lurches from right to left.
Perhaps If people became more Civic minded in most Central American and South American countries corruption wouldn't be so rampant, there are a couple of exceptions eg Chile and Uruguay.

How many Mexicans will regret voting for Obrador in 3 years time?
 

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In the last four decades, Mexico managed to overtake both Argentina and Venezuela to become the second largest economy in Latin America.

That is a remarkable achievement.

The election result tells me that a substantial number of Mexicans want no more of that.
 

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In the last four decades, Mexico managed to overtake both Argentina and Venezuela to become the second largest economy in Latin America.

That is a remarkable achievement.

The election result tells me that a substantial number of Mexicans want no more of that.
Maybe they want to go the way of Venezuela.
 

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Mexican Corbyn sweeps to power. He will trash what's left of the Mexican economy sending a desperate wave northwards.

They better get busy on the wall.
 

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Mexican Corbyn sweeps to power. He will trash what's left of the Mexican economy sending a desperate wave northwards.

They better get busy on the wall.
And the Mexicans fleeing to America will still vote for the Democrats even though they have been victims of failed left wing policies.

Anyone who voted for Obrador yesterday deserves everything that will come their way in the next few years, Venezuela is a textbook example of the failures of Socialism yet they want the Mexican Chavez in power.
 

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And the Mexicans fleeing to America will still vote for the Democrats even though they have been victims of failed left wing policies.

Anyone who voted for Obrador yesterday deserves everything that will come their way in the next few years, Venezuela is a textbook example of the failures of Socialism yet they want the Mexican Chavez in power.
Some Republicans have been trying to court the hispanic vote for years, even talking of them as 'natural conservatives'.

It's dumb. Latin Americans vote left from Mexico to Chile.
 

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Make Mexico Poor Again.

Mexico is currently the Number 2 economy in Latin America. It's two nearest challengers historically Venezuela and Argentina have played with socialism for decades, and ended up broke.

Colombia might overtake Mexico....
 


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