Michael Martin claimed the extra long Dail recess turned out to be unnecessary, is that true?

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on October 25th Michael Martin said in the Dail on October 25th that
The Dáil rose on 21 July and resumed on 27 September. In July we were all told major works were to be undertaken to physically refurbish the Chamber, but that did not happen. Therefore, it transpired that there was no necessity for the longer than usual summer recess.

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I've been trying to find out if this statement is true or not, its extraordinary claim considering the issue that has been made about the amount of work/legislation the Dail has been able to do so far this term

I've emailed Michael Martin and Fianna Fail weeks back no reply.

I also emailed the Oireachtas, this is the reply I got
As you're probably aware there were quite extensive works undertaken in the Dáil chamber during the summer recess (read more here and here). The quote may reference the wider restoration work to be completed in Leinster House but this would not have impacted on Dáil sitting dates. Perhaps Michael Martin's office may be able to clarify the quote however.

Thanks,

Best regards,

Liam O'Brien
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Communications | Broadcasting | Web
Houses of the Oireachtas
Dublin 2

The email from the Oireachtas cites it press release of 14/07/2016 Dáil Chamber technology improvement update


A major programme of improvements on technology supporting the Dáil Chamber will start when the Dáil rises for the summer recess on 21st July.

The programme includes the replacement of critical aspects of the Dáil chamber equipment, namely delegate units containing integrated microphone and voting components and modern Chamber and Committee Room graphical display units.
the Irish Times, the Irish Mirror, the Independent and the Sunday Times all quoted/paraphrased what Michael Martin said without further clarifying, only Irish Times added a qualifying sentence many hours later to say "The sound and voting systems in the Dáil were changed during the recess."

Dáil to get nine week break and €700k makeover – so that we can hear TDs better

There is is also the minutes of the Oireachtas Commission meeting 4th October 2016 which say

7. TECHNOLOGY IN THE CHAMBERS PROJECT
The Commission was briefed on the ICT project underway to modernise the technical systems in the Chambers of both Houses and in the Committee Rooms.
The Commission noted that the Technology in the Chambers project is part of a significant programme of ICT investment to build an Enterprise Architecture for the Service and to develop the ICT systems in the Houses to make them more responsive to the needs of users.
The Commission welcomed the project and noted the enhancements to the technical systems in the Dáil Chamber following completion of the necessary work within the agreed timeframe and budget over the summer recess period.
8. ANY OTHER BUSINESS
(i) Refurbishment works to Georgian Leinster House
The Secretary General updated the Commission on the progress on the refurbishment works to Georgian Leinster House. He noted that discussions on the relocation of the Seanad Chamber to the National Museum for the duration of the works were ongoing and had escalated to political level at this point.
In the Irish Times in May wrote Give Me a Crash Course In . . . Dáil holidays
Isn’t there something about Leinster House being restored? The renovation of Leinster House was cited at the Fine Gael parliamentary-party meeting as a reason for the longer-than-usual summer recess. In the past few years the Dáil rose in late July and returned in early or mid-September. It is true that the Georgian core of the Leinster House complex, which dates from the 18th century, is about to undergo its most significant restoration ever, with scaffolding and severe restrictions set, effectively, to close the building for a year. The Seanad will have to move to another premises, but the Dáil chamber, which is outside the Georgian core, will be largely unaffected. It will see its sound and voting systems upgraded over the summer. Ceann Comhairle Seán Ó Fearghaíl has said the restoration works will not require the Dáil to rise as early as July 7th.
The details of the works to the different parts of the house was explained to Michael Martin. Here Martin saying it himself,
“The clerk did explain about the structural problems with Leinster House, the old part of Leinster House from his perspective, required urgent remedial works, in terms of securing it and so on.”
Dáil summer recess too long, says Micheál Martin Irish Times Fiach Kelly May 26, 2016

Political Editor Irish Mirror told that it was true and the Dail works had not taken place as intended. [which may be the case but does that mean the Dail chamber could not be used?, or is the issue with other offices in Leinster House]

He said it was in the public sphere already that the works had not taken place as intended,but I cannot find where in the public sphere that it says that.

The political correspondents of Today FM told me twice its untrue, that the works
finished ahead of plan, partly because of the hurry to prepare for Apple
Thomas Byre TD said of the works "they didn't happen! We don't know why" I asked him what works didn't happen, no reply.

Leinster House restoration scheme to start during recess Irish Times Fiach Kelly May 26, 2016

But I think they are talking about the Leinster House works rather then the Dail chamber electronics refit that was done over the summer, so is
that there was no necessity for the longer than usual summer recess.
true or not?

No?

Link
Historic Leinster House Refurbishment Project Tender Response deadline 20-06-2016 Duration in months: 27
 
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Michael Martin set up the HSE - FIN. What more is there to say about him. The new 'improved' system just added more people who werent needed to managerial roles and cost us a fortune. Thanks Mike! Don't be worrying about a few days off when you created that behemoth.
 

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Michael Martin set up the HSE - FIN. What more is there to say about him. The new 'improved' system just added more people who werent needed to managerial roles and cost us a fortune. Thanks Mike! Don't be worrying about a few days off when you created that behemoth.
is it true "Therefore, it transpired that there was no necessity for the longer than usual summer recess"
 

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Catherine Zappone will be raging she couldn't collect travel expenses for that week
 

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Mickey Martin is another superficial like Gimmiemore and Ditherer.

What he says is often meaningless.
 

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We'll hardly get to the bottom of this as all parties circle the wagons when Dail recesses are highlighted. But no better populist than Mehole to highlight it.
 

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Catherine Zappone will be raging she couldn't collect travel expenses for that week
im talking about the summer recess but the best explanation I can find for why Martin made big deal out of the Halloween break is that both his whips missed/was late for the business committee meeting that was discussing it see my post on http://www.politics.ie/forum/political-reform/246927-kenny-proposes-all-party-committee-political-reform-4.html#post10699593 which does lead me to doubt him about this too.
 
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im talking about the summer recess but the best explanation I can find for why Martin made big deal out of the Halloween break is that both his whips missed/was late for the business committee meeting that was discussing it http://www.politics.ie/forum/political-reform/246927-kenny-proposes-all-party-committee-political-reform-4.html#post10699593 which does lead me to doubt him about this too.

So was an All party committee set up?

But regardless, to have this simple issue obfuscated (I might have made up that word?) yet again, is just stupid.
Can Enda and Micky, the 2 people pretty much running (while doing nothing) this country, EVER make a decision of note??

They are 2 total Irish politicians, talk the talk, set up committees galore! Disagree with everything the other boy says, but still prop each other up.

Enda and Micky are both supposedly leaders? So lead?
Or do ye need another committee to tell you how to think?


Jaysus this should be such a simple issue!
 

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So was an All party committee set up?

But regardless, to have this simple issue obfuscated (I might have made up that word?) yet again, is just stupid.
Can Enda and Micky, the 2 people pretty much running (while doing nothing) this country, EVER make a decision of note??

They are 2 total Irish politicians, talk the talk, set up committees galore! Disagree with everything the other boy says, but still prop each other up.

Enda and Micky are both supposedly leaders? So lead?
Or do ye need another committee to tell you how to think?


Jaysus this should be such a simple issue!
Nothing is ever simple when it comes to politicians.
 

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did Michael Martin get the distinction between the chamber refit over the summer and wider Leinster House works that are to take much longer* confused?

Initial work will begin during the Dáil and Seanad summer recess, but the opening stages will focus on assessing the exact amount of work that has to be done.
Leinster House restoration scheme to start during recess Irish Times Fiach Kelly May 26, 2016

here Michael Martin says it himself
“The clerk did explain about the structural problems with Leinster House, the old part of Leinster House from his perspective, required urgent remedial works, in terms of securing it and so on.”
were these urgent remedial works carried out? would they have disrupted the use of the Dail? [not according to the Oireachtas]

Dáil summer recess too long, says Micheál Martin Irish Times Fiach Kelly May 26, 2016

four newspapers republished his words without clarification.

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Historic Leinster House Refurbishment Project Tender Response deadline 20-06-2016 Duration in months: 27
 
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lots of talk of do nothing Dail and lack of legislation but no one in media willing to tackle Michael Martin about his claim that long summer recess as unnessecary

on October 25th Michael Martin said in the Dail on October 25th that
The Dáil rose on 21 July and resumed on 27 September. In July we were all told major works were to be undertaken to physically refurbish the Chamber, but that did not happen. Therefore, it transpired that there was no necessity for the longer than usual summer recess.


 


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