Michael Martin persuaded Irish people to accept abortion on demand

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So looking back at the repeal process I believe the most crucial intervention was when Micheal Martin announced he supported abortion on demand until 12 weeks. Majority opinion in his party was vehemently against abortion on demand until that point. Also there was significant opposition in Fine Gael to the 12 week proposals. Tanaiste Simon Coveney had declared the 12 week proposal unacceptable. So there was the basis for major opposition to the proposals.

So by his swift acceptance that abortion should be available until 12 weeks, Martin undercut the opposition within his own party and within FG. Simon Coveney was left looking isolated and later he accepted the 12 week proposal. Abortion until 12 weeks was no longer a focus of controversy in the campaign, and the YES side was free to focus on issues such as fatal fetal abnormalities, rape cases, and Savita.

What is particularly interesting is the recent RTE exit poll indicated that even now 48% of Irish people oppose abortion on demand until 12 weeks. But many of these people voted to remove the 8th, despite their knowledge that the government will introduce abortion on that basis.

Micheal Martin was the miracle worker on behalf of YES.
 


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Exit poll says 75% of people didnt change their minds during the campaign. It seems like it passed regardless of the campaign.

Also a majority of FF voters voted no, the only party to do so.

Mehole Martian should resign. He failed to lead his own party.
 

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Micheal Martin was the miracle worker on behalf of YES.
Would you get outa that! It was the ordinary people, mostly women, who talked to their friends and took to the streets and who persuaded our voters to go out and use their vote who won this referendum.

The politicians mostly sat back and watched on. Sure, Martin threw in his bit and Varadkar/ Harris theirs. Mary Lou arguably had a much bigger effect. But it was ordinary folk that got it carried.
 

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Exit poll says 75% of people didnt change their minds during the campaign. It seems like it passed regardless of the campaign.

Also a majority of FF voters voted no, the only party to do so.

Mehole Martian should resign. He failed to lead his own party.
Well perhaps he should just rid the party of the old dinosaurs that populate FF seats.
 

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Exit poll says 75% of people didnt change their minds during the campaign. It seems like it passed regardless of the campaign.

Also a majority of FF voters voted no, the only party to do so.

Mehole Martian should resign. He failed to lead his own party.
Exit Poll also says 48% of people oppose abortion until 12 weeks. But many of them still voted for it. An amazing piece of political magic happened there, and Martin should get much credit for it.
 

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About 17 FG TDs were on the no side according to a FF TD this morning. It wasnt all one way. Martins support for repeal confirms his status as a moderniser within FF but it remains to be seen if the factionalism on social issues will now go away, or whether the conservatives are still waiting in the long grass for him. And among the grass roots they are more pro-life still (around 70% at the Ard Fheis some time ago voted against legalised abortion). So it may be difficult after Martin leaves office to secure a pro choice successor.
 

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years of social engineering ensured this result. if Panti Bliss says it's a good thing, it's a good thing etc

I wonder what pressure was put on coveney to change his mind
 

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Exit poll says 75% of people didnt change their minds during the campaign. It seems like it passed regardless of the campaign.

Also a majority of FF voters voted no, the only party to do so.

Mehole Martian should resign. He failed to lead his own party.
Yes, if the majority of FF voters voted No, then he should resign.

He’s probably hoping to pick up Yes voters for FF and avoid that.
 

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Well perhaps he should just rid the party of the old dinosaurs that populate FF seats.
More ignorance
Abortion is a big issue in the us and uk
People talk here as if none of us ever lived eslew here.
 

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More ignorance
Abortion is a big issue in the us and uk
People talk here as if none of us ever lived eslew here.
it's a 'useful' issue. bread for the masses, circuses. I doubt many people who have actual political power care a lot about the human condition
 

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Exit poll says 75% of people didnt change their minds during the campaign. It seems like it passed regardless of the campaign.

Also a majority of FF voters voted no, the only party to do so.

Mehole Martian should resign. He failed to lead his own party.

Mehole has the most blood on his hands. He should change his name to Pontius Pilate.
 

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So looking back at the repeal process I believe the most crucial intervention was when Micheal Martin announced he supported abortion on demand until 12 weeks. Majority opinion in his party was vehemently against abortion on demand until that point. Also there was significant opposition in Fine Gael to the 12 week proposals. Tanaiste Simon Coveney had declared the 12 week proposal unacceptable. So there was the basis for major opposition to the proposals.

So by his swift acceptance that abortion should be available until 12 weeks, Martin undercut the opposition within his own party and within FG. Simon Coveney was left looking isolated and later he accepted the 12 week proposal. Abortion until 12 weeks was no longer a focus of controversy in the campaign, and the YES side was free to focus on issues such as fatal fetal abnormalities, rape cases, and Savita.

What is particularly interesting is the recent RTE exit poll indicated that even now 48% of Irish people oppose abortion on demand until 12 weeks. But many of these people voted to remove the 8th, despite their knowledge that the government will introduce abortion on that basis.

Micheal Martin was the miracle worker on behalf of YES.

Rubbish.

The people of Ireland made up their minds and spoke.
 

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years of social engineering ensured this result. if Panti Bliss says it's a good thing, it's a good thing etc

I wonder what pressure was put on coveney to change his mind
The same pressure put on Varadkar, Harris & Hogan I suspect

Panti was all for Gay Marriage

- yet curiously has never got married himself

He is also all for abortion demand

- yet he will never father a child

Society has never been more brainwashed than it is now...
 


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