Micheal Martin, another doomed white mouse in the Eoghan Harris laboratory

devoutcapitalist

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Devileire was told by a catholic priest that the oath was not binding if he crossed his fingers with hands behind his back as he took it, and muttered the words. The forerunner of Cardinal Connells mental reservations ?
Was It a Jesuit priest who advised Dev?
 


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Precisely. If you're a member of a golf club, do you think the club will change the local rules just to suit one of its members? I don't think they would either.
No but there is an argument that they could have made a slightly better fist of letting the member go home to his wife and claim he'd won a victory. This will be a nightmare for them but not a lot of fun for the EU either. The Brits are definitely the bad guys here but swapping our 2008 era green jersey 9in terms of failure to entertain criticism) for a 2017 blue with yellow stars one isn't the best idea in the world.
 

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Devileire was told by a catholic priest that the oath was not binding if he crossed his fingers with hands behind his back as he took it, and muttered the words. The forerunner of Cardinal Connells mental reservations ?
An Oath must be freely given to have Moral validity

- the Oath to the English Monarch was not freely given by Dev or any FF TD

- therefore it was not morally binding...
 

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An Oath must be freely given to have Moral validity

- the Oath to the English Monarch was not freely given by Dev or any FF TD

- therefore it was not morally binding...
could you say the same about an oath in court
 

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could you say the same about an oath in court
Absolutely. But an oath in court is about legal validity not moral validity and you can be prosecuted for not doing as you said. Dev quite clearly didn't keep the 'oath' yet met no consequences.
 

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Devileire was told by a catholic priest that the oath was not binding if he crossed his fingers with hands behind his back as he took it, and muttered the words. The forerunner of Cardinal Connells mental reservations ?
Surely you cannot compare "mental reservation" with a sectarian oath of allegiance to a foreign mass murderer claiming Irish people as their property?

DeValera was right to fight that disgusting requirement, I didn't see Fine Gael repealing it when they got back into power in 1948.

Irish people are strange.
 

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Surely you cannot compare "mental reservation" with a sectarian oath of allegiance to a foreign mass murderer claiming Irish people as their property?

DeValera was right to fight that disgusting requirement, I didn't see Fine Gael repealing it when they got back into power in 1948.

Irish people are strange.
Eoin Coir is probably the only person in the country still fighting the civil war in his head.
 

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Surely you cannot compare "mental reservation" with a sectarian oath of allegiance to a foreign mass murderer claiming Irish people as their property?

DeValera was right to fight that disgusting requirement, I didn't see Fine Gael repealing it when they got back into power in 1948.

Irish people are strange.
but Devileire took it, and he did not declare a Republic. John A C did it.
 

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Harris strikes again. His lap dog responds to the whistle and crawls to the DUP's defence.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/01/sinn-fein-arlene-foster-irish-language-act-compromise

Despite Tommie Gorman puffing Foster's speech as a major breakthrough, the DUP conceded nothing the other night. Nothing on RHI. Putting the Irish Language Act on the long finger which they'll drag out interminably whenever the stonefaced dinosaurs of the Hellfire chapels and the Orange Halls discover another Popish plot to rob Ulster of its heritage.

The DUP don't want an Executive for the time being while their Brexit wet dream comes into being. Occupying the First Minister's office might taint them with the blame for the disaster Little England's crusade is going to inflict on the North.

If Micheal Martin had any respect for what Fianna Fail claims it stands for, he would hold the DUP to account for what they're doing not just to the Nationalist and Unionist people of the Six Counties but also to the economy of the Republic. Instead, like the small-minded begrudging shìtstirrer on his stool at the far end of the bar, such is his pathetic fixation with Sinn Fein that he jumps to Foster's support.

Turning Fianna Fail into the party of the West Brit. Christ Almighty, what have we sunk to?
 

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The great stalinist, unionist, egoist is praising Martin for following his advice against Adams in his bully pulpit in the Sindo.
I hasten to add twas a bulk copy I picked up & looked at in a hotel this morning.

People pay money for the Sindo?

It's like an Irish Fox news.
 

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The great stalinist, unionist, egoist is praising Martin for following his advice against Adams in his bully pulpit in the Sindo.
I hasten to add twas a bulk copy I picked up & looked at in a hotel this morning.

People pay money for the Sindo?

It's like an Irish Fox news.
Nah. Fox news can be entertaining at times. Why they keep that crank Harris around is mystery. He was all ever so brave about how the Sindonistas would stand up to Dinny when their previous owner O'Reilly was deposed. When it came to the crunch, they just bent over.
 

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Nah. Fox news can be entertaining at times. Why they keep that crank Harris around is mystery. He was all ever so brave about how the Sindonistas would stand up to Dinny when their previous owner O'Reilly was deposed. When it came to the crunch, they just bent over.
I chose the phrase bully pulpit well.

Entertaining in a Victorian freak show kind of way?
Well the Sindo has Dame Ruth Bag Lady, Harris and Ballsy.
 

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I chose the phrase bully pulpit well.

Entertaining in a Victorian freak show kind of way?
Well the Sindo has Dame Ruth Bag Lady, Harris and Ballsy.
Yep. Almost more Bedlam than a Victorian freakshow. As for Blogger Harris, anything he gets his claws into seems to rapidly go pearshaped. Look at all the political parties and politicians he has destroyed with his "advice". He's the Typhoid Mary of Irish politics.
 

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Eoin Coir is probably the only person in the country still fighting the civil war in his head.
but Devileire took it, and he did not declare a Republic. John A C did it.
Due to the fact the North was not under Irish rule, Dev did not declare a Republic.

He did however, stand up to Britain, unlike Fine Gael, the partition and empire party.
 

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Due to the fact the North was not under Irish rule, Dev did not declare a Republic.

He did however, stand up to Britain, unlike Fine Gael, the partition and empire party.
When did Dev "stand up to Britain"? Was it during the treaty? Oh, no wait... He couldn't be contacted but then he bitched and moaned about the outcome.. was it during the civil war? Oh, no wait he was too busy grabbing power for himself? Was it during "the Emergency"?.. No.. he was too busy watching maidens dancing at the crossroads...
When exactly did Dev "stand up to Britain"?
 

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When did Dev "stand up to Britain"? Was it during the treaty? Oh, no wait... He couldn't be contacted but then he bitched and moaned about the outcome.. was it during the civil war? Oh, no wait he was too busy grabbing power for himself? Was it during "the Emergency"?.. No.. he was too busy watching maidens dancing at the crossroads...
When exactly did Dev "stand up to Britain"?
Devileire was too busy in US collecting money to enrich himself and his family.
 

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Whatever one thinks about Harris advising Martin,itis showing results. FF ok in polls, SGF declining.
Harris is wise enough to realise that any frolicking by the green elements of FF with SF would drive away middle class voters from voting FF. Leo is now following suit ,result no one wants Sinn Fien.
 


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