Migrants drive workforce past the 2 million mark

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From The Irish TImes:
  • The number in employment rose to 2,017,000 as of last May, exceeding two million for the first time in the State's history, writes Marc Coleman, Economics Editor.

    Figures released yesterday by the Central Statistics Office (CSO) also show the rise in employment continues to be driven by a surge in immigrants, who now account for one in 10 people in the workforce.

    The Government welcomed the figures as a vindication of its employment policies, but analysts have questioned whether the growth in jobs is sustainable.

    Meanwhile, a separate survey by Chambers Ireland suggests that employment growth has remained strong in the months since May.

    According to the CSO's latest Quarterly National Household Survey, 87,800 jobs were created between May 2005 and May 2006. Over the same period, the number of immigrants in Ireland rose by some 86,900, according to CSO estimates of population and migration, also published yesterday. The construction sector contributed 20,300 new jobs, of which 10,700 were filled by foreign nationals. This makes it the main driver of employment growth and the biggest employer of foreign nationals.
While the question of migrant workers, and immigration in general, tends to be contentious, growing employment can only be good for the ecomony. The extra spending generated has a knock-on effect which shoould allow the growth to continue in the coming months.
 


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Not so good for the thousands of Irish workers displaced from manufacturing and hotel jobs. Not to mention school leavers who are unable to get job at all.
 

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What seems to be happening judging by the discussion on "Tonight" with Tom McGurk last night on RTE Radio 1 is that we are not being selective enough about who we are letting in. We are letting in everyone from Poland etc. so they come in and build houses (because many don't have the skills to do much else) and that maintains an overdependence on the construction sector which is already dangerously dominant in our economy. What happens when prices reach unaffordability for large proportions of us and demand falls, leading to tens of thousands of job losses? We need to be more selective in terms of bringing in people to help gear the economy away from total domination by one sector. And it's better too if where possible we concentrate on upskilling Irish workers rather than importing people who may contribute ultimately to keeping the Irish unemployed on the dole.
 

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popper said:
Not so good for the thousands of Irish workers displaced from manufacturing and hotel jobs. Not to mention school leavers who are unable to get job at all.
As one of those people who was recently 'displaced' from a hotel job, trust me: I'm ok with it!
 

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TheBear said:
popper said:
Not so good for the thousands of Irish workers displaced from manufacturing and hotel jobs. Not to mention school leavers who are unable to get job at all.
As one of those people who was recently 'displaced' from a hotel job, trust me: I'm ok with it!
Perhaps you are if you are doing something better. I doubt that the workers displaced by Doyle Concrete along with the thousands of bar persons, cleaners etc - who do not have better options - share your equanamity.

There is also the fact, often overlooked and obscured to a certain extent, that a lot of the type of jobs being taken by immigrants including hotel, bars, cleaning, labouring were the very jobs that traditionally were taken by people who left school with poor qualifications or who for other reasons went for such jobs. The fact that youth unemployment is rising would confirm this.
 

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it doesn't mention anywhere in it about job displacement.
Jobs were created and filled, simple really
 

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forest said:
it doesn't mention anywhere in it about job displacement.
Jobs were created and filled, simple really

Maybe you should read it again :lol:
 

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If/When the construction industry goes bust in a property bubble burst or downturn...we will have alot of pissed off unemployed immigrants around...
 

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popper said:
Not so good for the thousands of Irish workers displaced from manufacturing and hotel jobs. Not to mention school leavers who are unable to get job at all.

Then why isn't unemployment rising?
 

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hiding behind a poster said:
Then why isn't unemployment rising?
Only if you are going by offical statistics. Bar stool anecdotes are a far better source.
 

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hiding behind a poster said:
popper said:
Not so good for the thousands of Irish workers displaced from manufacturing and hotel jobs. Not to mention school leavers who are unable to get job at all.

Then why isn't unemployment rising?
The inclusion of non-nationals in calculating the % unemployment rate distorts the true level of unemployment among Irish nationals.
 

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FutureTaoiseach said:
hiding behind a poster said:
popper said:
Not so good for the thousands of Irish workers displaced from manufacturing and hotel jobs. Not to mention school leavers who are unable to get job at all.

Then why isn't unemployment rising?
The inclusion of non-nationals in calculating the % unemployment rate distorts the true level of unemployment among Irish nationals.
That wouldn't affect the Live Register, which has been pretty much static for the past couple of years.
 

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popper said:
Not so good for the thousands of Irish workers displaced from manufacturing and hotel jobs. Not to mention school leavers who are unable to get job at all.
Irish Tourism, Hotel and Hospitality Sector Jobs Facts

* Most hoteliers and guesthouse owners across Ireland are reporting staff shortages – 87% of employers in the beautiful west of Ireland complain of serious difficulties in filling jobs.
* The most recent employment survey published by the State Tourism Training Agency CERT – ‘Hospitality 2005’, say that if current growth rates continue in the hospitality sector, the sector will need a further 105,000 employees over the next five years.
http://www.jobsearch.ie/applicants/tour ... reland.htm

Yeah no one will ever find a job in the hospitality sector because of dem immigants!
 

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Seos said:
popper said:
Not so good for the thousands of Irish workers displaced from manufacturing and hotel jobs. Not to mention school leavers who are unable to get job at all.
Irish Tourism, Hotel and Hospitality Sector Jobs Facts

* Most hoteliers and guesthouse owners across Ireland are reporting staff shortages – 87% of employers in the beautiful west of Ireland complain of serious difficulties in filling jobs.
* The most recent employment survey published by the State Tourism Training Agency CERT – ‘Hospitality 2005’, say that if current growth rates continue in the hospitality sector, the sector will need a further 105,000 employees over the next five years.
http://www.jobsearch.ie/applicants/tour ... reland.htm

Yeah no one will ever find a job in the hospitality sector because of dem immigants!
Sure you'll get a job!

Working 50+ hours a week in crap conditions for peanuts! :x
 

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Catalpa said:
Working 50+ hours a week in crap conditions for peanuts! :x
Well you could always become a technology journalist - no knowledge of technology required.

Regards...jmcc
 

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Catalpa said:
Seos said:
popper said:
Not so good for the thousands of Irish workers displaced from manufacturing and hotel jobs. Not to mention school leavers who are unable to get job at all.
Irish Tourism, Hotel and Hospitality Sector Jobs Facts

* Most hoteliers and guesthouse owners across Ireland are reporting staff shortages – 87% of employers in the beautiful west of Ireland complain of serious difficulties in filling jobs.
* The most recent employment survey published by the State Tourism Training Agency CERT – ‘Hospitality 2005’, say that if current growth rates continue in the hospitality sector, the sector will need a further 105,000 employees over the next five years.
http://www.jobsearch.ie/applicants/tour ... reland.htm

Yeah no one will ever find a job in the hospitality sector because of dem immigants!
Sure you'll get a job!

Working 50+ hours a week in crap conditions for peanuts! :x
mmm peanuts! :wink:

wages go down when there is a labour surplus, shortages force wages up.
 

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eurocrat said:
hiding behind a poster said:
Then why isn't unemployment rising?
Only if you are going by offical statistics. Bar stool anecdotes are a far better source.

Yes, obviously - when a guy loses his job to a furrinner, all he does is go to the pub and give out to his mates. He doesn't bother going to sign on..... :lol:
 

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popper said:
Not to mention school leavers who are unable to get job at all.
The fact that youth unemployment is rising would confirm this.
What are you basing this on? The ERSI report that got some coverage earlier this year (see here http://www.rte.ie/news/2006/0215/employment.html) was based on school leavers in 2004. The youth unemployment rate for 2005 actually shrank by .3% to 8.6%, the second lowest rate in the EU and lower than the USA or Japan. For the year so far the rate is averaging just under 8.6%. To say that school leavers "are unable to get job(s) at all" is simply not true.
 

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FutureTaoiseach said:
hiding behind a poster said:
popper said:
Not so good for the thousands of Irish workers displaced from manufacturing and hotel jobs. Not to mention school leavers who are unable to get job at all.

Then why isn't unemployment rising?
The inclusion of non-nationals in calculating the % unemployment rate distorts the true level of unemployment among Irish nationals.

That doesn't make sense either. Look at the total number of unemployed. Its hovered around the 160,000 mark for a long time now, and that figure effectively represents full employment - there are always people between jobs for a variety of reasons, plus those who are simply unemployable. Whether you look at the 160,000 figure or the 4% figure, we've effectively got full employment. So displacement ain't happening - either brand new jobs are being created through economic growth, or those who are being replaced by foreign workers at the bottom of the e,ployment ladder are moving on to better or, at worst, equivalent employment. Its a shame you can't face the facts when they don't support your argument, FT.
 


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