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Minister for defence encourages EU cooperation in Maritime Surveillance


Dohville

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Ireland has a very large sea area, which is 10 times the size of our land mass. Indeed, if our sea territory was counted in addition to our land mass, Ireland would be one of the largest countries of the European Union. Ireland is also a very significant trading nation with a very open economy, reliant on safe and secure sea-lanes for trade and goods. This raises very particular security challenges, not alone in terms of Ireland’s responsibilities and obligations as a member of the Union at the forefront of the EU’s maritime borders, but also in terms of countering inappropriate or illegal use of our waters by organised crime in drug and people trafficking which impacts directly on our citizens security.
The purpose of this seminar is to raise awareness of the role that maritime surveillance and security can play as an economic enabler right across the Union, contributing to the European Union Jobs, Growth and Innovation strategy. It is also designed to raise awareness and identify approaches to support Europe’s security needs in countering criminal activity occurring in its maritime environment and in the international sea-lanes which are essential to the maintenance of the Union’s international trade.
The Union’s maritime domain faces many threats and challenges that have the potential to adversely impact on the security and safety of the Union as a whole, both for its citizens and its economy. The threats to the security of the Union include, amongst others, illegal immigration, terrorism, piracy and drug trafficking. None of these threats can be addressed by individual Member States and addressing this reality is a key focus of today’s seminar.
As the sea is an open environment, threats related to safety and security cannot be dealt with by individual Member States acting alone, but require the combined efforts of all Member States and a wide range of State actors. The combined efforts of the Naval Services, Coastguards, Border Officials, Policing, Customs, Fisheries Control and Environmental Agencies of the Member States will be required to respond effectively to threats such as piracy, drugs smuggling, human trafficking, illegal migration, organised crime, trafficking of illicit materials, illegal fishing and dumping at sea.

Protecting trade, and indeed protecting the “blue economy” which has the potential to provide much needed jobs in, for example, the offshore renewable energy sector, research and technology, and in the biomedical and pharmaceutical area, is a priority.

The difficulty is that at National level, Maritime Security is different in every Member State of the European Union. Therefore, to achieve a whole of European Union approach to maritime security will be challenging, and will require sustained political will.

It is encouraging to see a Government minister finally recognising that we live on an island surrounded by water.
One wonders will these words be followed up with actions, even better, spending on assets to coordinate security of our own maritime borders? As yet another oil explorer announces encouraging survey results in a celtic sea oil field, extraction now seems inevitable. Security of these offshore assets will become a higher priority.
 

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I thought we'd already privatised part of the state's civil defences on behalf of Shell?
 

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A lot of the stuff you think is imaginary.
Sorry, yes, thats right. I remember now. The coasts around Ireland are packed every moonlit night with cuban refugees having swum across the atlantic fighting the somali pirates for a square inch of sand on which to land their contraband/trafficked women/and people wearing headbands lookin' a bit like Al Pacino.

"First joo get the Euros. Then joo get the Fianna Fail. Then joo gets the women.'

That would be class alright. We'd have worried motorboats patrolling the coastline with an open landborder to Northern Ireland for as many illegal immigrants and drugdealers as you like to cross.

Madre de Dios- theez Irish....
 

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Sorry, yes, thats right. I remember now. The coasts around Ireland are packed every moonlit night with cuban refugees having swum across the atlantic fighting the somali pirates for a square inch of sand on which to land their contraband/trafficked women/and people wearing headbands lookin' a bit like Al Pacino.

"First joo get the Euros. Then joo get the Fianna Fail. Then joo gets the women.'

That would be class alright. We'd have worried motorboats patrolling the coastline with an open landborder to Northern Ireland for as many illegal immigrants and drugdealers as you like to cross.

Madre de Dios- theez Irish....
I see you are one of the habitual drug users yourself. If you have nothing sensible to offer, please ************************ off.
 

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I see you are one of the habitual drug users yourself. If you have nothing sensible to offer, please ************************ off.
What is the point of the OP? Securing oil rights for whom? The Irish taxpayer or the Shell shareholder? It is a valid question and the issue of the creakingly dodgy way in which Irish mineral rights are 'negotiated' by our increasingly wealthy political middlemen is an issue of concern.

What is the point of inviting in a cross national maritime agency to protect resources we are giving away?
 

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Ah lads. The Irish atlantic coast is covered just as well by satellites as the Bay of Biscay, the waters off North Africa and out as far as the Azores and Spain.

What do you think happens? NATO, European and US satellite systems have an automatic shutter system which stops them peering into Irish territorial waters?

Whats behind this? Has Shatter got some Israeli salmon-counting software he'd like to sell us, coincidentally from the Israeli military or something?

There's a smell of arranged commercial bullshyte off this one a sea mile away.
 

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What is the point of the OP? Securing oil rights for whom? The Irish taxpayer or the Shell shareholder? It is a valid question and the issue of the creakingly dodgy way in which Irish mineral rights are 'negotiated' by our increasingly wealthy political middlemen is an issue of concern.

What is the point of inviting in a cross national maritime agency to protect resources we are giving away?
Read either of the links numbnuts. All will become clear.
 

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Read either of the links numbnuts. All will become clear.
I like your influential and persuasive style. I have alerted Stingrays 1,2 and 5 to be on stand-by. QRT and standing by. ssssssss.....
 

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Going by what Shatter is saying in those links, we could see other member states patrolling our waters. They'll be able to keep an eye on the French and Spanish trawlers fishing illegally.... oh wait :(

This is just a way of softening our Neutrality before removing it.

The only navy patrolling our waters should be the Irish Navy. If Shatter is concerned about our waters, let him make sure our Navy is properly resourced.
 

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That's the biggest bullsh1t list of excuses I have ever seen to justify extending EU control over Irish territory. Drug smuggling is too big to be stopped by a few EU frigates, there is no evidence of any terrorist threat to Ireland anywhere, no one is crossing the Atlantic in rafts to sneak into Ireland to steal the dole, and our natural resources are protected by international agreements.

The two biggest threats in Irish waters are international resource companies stealing the common wealth of the people and EU pirates stealing our fish, and those two groups of brigands operate under the protection of the law. We don't need the EU getting involved in Irish waters because there is either nothing to police or nothing that can be policed effectively. Therefore there is something else behind this move- part of the long continuing evolution of the EU towards an omnipresent authority.
 

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It would be an excellent idea. Europe is woefully lacking in maritime surveillance capabilities, especially around the British Isles since the RAF was forced to surrender its Maritime patrol aircraft. The last remaining maritime capabilities left in Europe is fragmented, as the nation states who maintain such capabilities consider it to be a national asset and won't share it with anyone.
 

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An E.U Naval base in Cork makes sense,we certainly do not have the resources to patrol our waters let alone protect them.
 

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I agree entirely. Mutual security is something the EU should focus on. And fair play to Shatter to admitting illegal immigration is a threat. Anyone can smuggle anything into this country because we cannot control our own waters.
 

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An E.U Naval base in Cork makes sense,we certainly do not have the resources to patrol our waters let alone protect them.
Illustrated by the fact that the majority of our fisheries protection vessels were paid for by the EU.
 

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Illustrated by the fact that the majority of our fisheries protection vessels were paid for by the EU.
The 2 currently being built are paid for 100% from the state's coffers. The EU no longer fund this type of expense.
 

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The 2 currently being built are paid for 100% from the state's coffers. The EU no longer fund this type of expense.
Which may be part of the point of Ireland pushing for integration on maritime security, of course.
 

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It is encouraging to see a Government minister finally recognising that we live on an island surrounded by water.
One wonders will these words be followed up with actions, even better, spending on assets to coordinate security of our own maritime borders? As yet another oil explorer announces encouraging survey results in a celtic sea oil field, extraction now seems inevitable. Security of these offshore assets will become a higher priority.
I thought they were supposed to be patrolling Irish waters since the founding of the state.

Also was there not various agreements through the EU with neighouring states over the last couple of decades, regarding sea patrols to stop drug traffickers and other illegal uses of Irelands sea lanes?

The navy should be out patrolling that water. It is there job and if they are not doing that job, then just fire them and replace them with some unemployed to do the job.
 

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I thought they were supposed to be patrolling Irish waters since the founding of the state.

Also was there not various agreements through the EU with neighouring states over the last couple of decades, regarding sea patrols to stop drug traffickers and other illegal uses of Irelands sea lanes?

The navy should be out patrolling that water. It is there job and if they are not doing that job, then just fire them and replace them with some unemployed to do the job.
Are you suggesting that the navy is not doing its job? If not what is your point?
 

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Nimrod was scrapped to hide the shear waste of money involved in trying to fit cad designed wings to fuselages built in the 60s by hand and slide rule.
Thing was a total joke.
using a jet powered anti submarine plane that could carry nuclear depth charges and cruise missiles. Fo finding lost yachties and fishermen breaking the rules was slightly overkill.
 
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