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Minister Hogan scraps Strategic Planning Guidelines


ger12

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So then, Big Phil has scrapped the National Spatial Strategy. It'll be replaced by a new policy in about a year’s time. What are councils going to do in the meantime?

The National Spatial Strategy was not put on a statutory basis when FF first introduced it and up until 2010 planning authorities only had to give ‘due regard’ to it, rather than complying with it. Then pesky Minister Gormleys introduction of regional planning guidelines and the Planning and Development Act (2010) and the introduction of core strategies (in which planning decisions have to demonstrate they fit local, county, regional and national policy objectives) gave the NSS some teeth.

Now it appears that Big Phil believes perhaps that the NSS hasn't worked, and well, it must go in the bin now and when the time is right, he will, at some time in the furture, replace the NSS with ... what exactly. :roll:

Now, how will all our FG, FF and Labour councillors cope? Planning deregulation will warm the hearts of many Councillors perhaps?

Government scraps spatial strategy - The Irish Times - Tue, Feb 12, 2013

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http://debates.oireachtas.ie/dail/2012/03/08/00027.asp
 
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Do you seriously think planning rules are a high priority at present?:lol:
 

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Do you seriously think planning rules are a high priority at present?:lol:
Emm, but surely they are? Why else would he bother to scrap the SPG?
 

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So then, Big Phil has scrapped the National Spatial Strategy. It'll be replaced by a new policy in about a year’s time. What are councils going to do in the meantime?
There's so little planning required at the moment, it doesn't really matter.
 

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Odd. Why not work on a replacement and simply override the original when it is ready? He has left a gap. Cui bono?
 

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It was a back of envelope plan in the first instance, in order to steal a few votes in the areas nominated, and then was promply completely ignored by FF, who introduced it, when they tried to buy a few more votes when they had another back of envelope policy, namely decentralisation. Neither was there any money allocated to it by the previous Government ever.

So, we had a crap plan, never financed and ignored by the Government that introduced it, and now we will have people bitching about Big Phil, who needs a kick up the arse for other issues, for scrapping a stupid and worthless plan. Such is life.
 

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Odd. Why not work on a replacement and simply override the original when it is ready? He has left a gap. Cui bono?
He hasn't left a gap. That's the entire point. According to him it's a useless designation that meant and achieved nothing.

Addressing the Oireachtas committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation Mr Hogan said the gateway and hub cities and towns never received the resources to ensure their development and “nothing has happened” in the ten years since they were designated.

Mr Hogan said there was no point in having a designation without the resources. He said the strategy, which was launched by his predecessor, former minister Martin Cullen more than a decade ago, would be replaced with new proposals which would would be circulated as part of a public consultation.

Mr Hogan said a replacement of for the strategy was “about a year away”.
Basically he's gotten rid of one useless quango to replace it with another useless quango next year. I'm guessing he features his area and a number of at risk FG/Lab seats in it.
 

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It was a back of envelope plan in the first instance, in order to steal a few votes in the areas nominated, and then was promply completely ignored by FF, who introduced it, when they tried to buy a few more votes when they had another back of envelope policy, namely decentralisation. Neither was there any money allocated to it by the previous Government ever.

So, we had a crap plan, never financed and ignored by the Government that introduced it, and now we will have people bitching about Big Phil, who needs a kick up the arse for other issues, for scrapping a stupid and worthless plan. Such is life.
Yep, much of that is true. Although without it (having nothing in its place) it weakens the 2010 Planning Act (amendment) surely? Mind you, FG had promised to remove the shackles in this Planning Act.

By abandoning the strategic planning guidelines there is a planning limbo where each council can do whatever it wants. Progress?
 

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He hasn't left a gap. That's the entire point. According to him it's a useless designation that meant and achieved nothing.



Basically he's gotten rid of one useless quango to replace it with another useless quango next year. I'm guessing he features his area and a number of at risk FG/Lab seats in it.
Well, up until 2010 planning authorities only had to give ‘due regard’ to it (rather than complying with it).

If Minister Hogan comes up with a new National Spatial Strategy, will it be based on best practice or a will a "logistical, logarithmic progression" be used?
 

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There's so little planning required at the moment, it doesn't really matter.
Ah, the usual "Shur, tisn't needed now, we'll wait to the last second to panic about it and fuk it up anyway" attitude.
 

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Do you seriously think planning rules are a high priority at present?:lol:
Planning should always be a high priority.

I'm guessing he features his area and a number of at risk FG/Lab seats in it.
Hogan is so parish pump you could lift his arm and water would come out his nose.
 

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The so called "planning" strategy in this country is partly what caused the problem... Better to start afresh.. If be left these in place ye'd be giving out too.
 

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The five point plan has turned a corner, we are where we are and we all partied!

 

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Planning should always be a high priority.



Hogan is so parish pump you could lift his arm and water would come out his nose.
This country is strongly reminding me some countries known for dodgy/hinkey/corrupt/dictatorial shenannigans. Croneyism is rife, at least as bad as the last shower. Lies all over the place on just about anything you can think of here. High salaries and allowances and expenses. Cutting the links between Gov't and the electorate (Noonan has total power on finance issues, he can pump any amount of money into any bank here whenever he likes).

Oh yeah, before the usual gobshytes like hbap and ilk start throwing Godwinisms about, South America, boys, South America.
 

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The so called "planning" strategy in this country is partly what caused the problem... Better to start afresh.. If be left these in place ye'd be giving out too.
Start afresh with what? Why scrap this plan, which has only been backed up with legislation, and have nothing to replace it with?
 

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So then, Big Phil has scrapped the National Spatial Strategy. It'll be replaced by a new policy in about a year’s time. What are councils going to do in the meantime?

The National Spatial Strategy was not put on a statutory basis when FF first introduced it and up until 2010 planning authorities only had to give ‘due regard’ to it, rather than complying with it. Then pesky Minister Gormleys introduction of regional planning guidelines and the Planning and Development Act (2010) and the introduction of core strategies (in which planning decisions have to demonstrate they fit local, county, regional and national policy objectives) gave the NSS some teeth.

Now it appears that Big Phil believes perhaps that the NSS hasn't worked, and well, it must go in the bin now and when the time is right, he will, at some time in the furture, replace the NSS with ... what exactly. :roll:

Now, how will all our FG, FF and Labour councillors cope? Planning deregulation will warm the hearts of many Councillors perhaps?

Government scraps spatial strategy - The Irish Times - Tue, Feb 12, 2013

sectoral planning « Ireland after NAMA

Dáil Éireann - 08/Mar/2012 Written Answers - National Spatial Strategy
The Spatial Strategy was in danger of being the only intelligent piece of legislation to come out of Bertie Ahern's government (OK,the smoking ban was good as well). Then FF were wiped out in mid-year local elections. The Strategy was dumped in the nearest bin and Bertie and McCreevy gave us decentralisation instead.

The funding spent on the Strategy was wasted. This was unfortunate, but Decentralisation would go in to re-define the terms 'wastage of public money' and 'Fianna Fail scam'.
 

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This country is strongly reminding me some countries known for dodgy/hinkey/corrupt/dictatorial shenannigans. Croneyism is rife, at least as bad as the last shower. Lies all over the place on just about anything you can think of here. High salaries and allowances and expenses. Cutting the links between Gov't and the electorate (Noonan has total power on finance issues, he can pump any amount of money into any bank here whenever he likes).

Oh yeah, before the usual gobshytes like hbap and ilk start throwing Godwinisms about, South America, boys, South America.
Wild west boy ;)
 

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