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Minister Shatter, Sham Marriages and Ireland


Dr Pat

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According to a report in the Irish Examiner today,

''About 400 young women are being trafficked into Ireland to take part in sham marriages while the Government has so far failed to close a loophole that allows the criminals organising them to go free.''

''Figures released last year by the Department of Justice said that up to the end of Sept 2011, there were 553 applications for residency from non-EU nationals as a spouse of an EU citizen, a third involved Latvian or Lithuanian spouses.''

''Two years ago the Latvian authorities asked Ireland to take action to stop these marriages, mostly conducted with Pakistani, Bangladeshi, and Indian men. Being married to an EU national means the husband can apply for a passport of an EU country.''

However, Minister Shatter appears to be taking a laidback approach to this. According to the Examiner's report, the Department of Justice did comment directly on this but a statement issued by it ''said that minister Alan Shatter said he was working closely with his counterpart in Britain on the issue and had asked officials to re-examine to draft amendments on immigration related sham marriages in the Immigration Residence and Protection Bill 2010 and the Free Movement regulations that transposed the EU directive into Irish law.''

Full report here: 400 a year trafficked for sham marriages | Irish Examiner

Meanwhile, the trafficking goes on and yet more bogus applications for residency and citizenship are submitted.

One must seriously question whether Minister Shatter regards immigration matters even those involving the serious abuse of vulnerable women and blatant criminality involved as warranting urgent attention?

This raises an allied and perhaps a more core issue about the Minister for Justice and Equality and Defence's appreciation of and vision for Ireland. Does the eminent Minister, who makes great fanfare out of handing out Irish citizenship to those who ''qualify'' on a publicly trumpeted 'fast-tracked' basis, really believe in Ireland as a nation State or does he just consider our country as an optionally permanent halting site, with citizenship thrown in for those who stay around long enough, for global humanity and irrespective of the criminality involved?
 

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Rocky

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Shatter doesn't care one bit for Ireland.

I think all Jews refer to Israel as their homeland.
And people say there's no anti-semitism in Ireland or on this site.
 

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Another debacle where lazybones is dragging his heels and doing SFA.
 

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According to a report in the Irish Examiner today,

''About 400 young women are being trafficked into Ireland to take part in sham marriages while the Government has so far failed to close a loophole that allows the criminals organising them to go free.''

''Figures released last year by the Department of Justice said that up to the end of Sept 2011, there were 553 applications for residency from non-EU nationals as a spouse of an EU citizen, a third involved Latvian or Lithuanian spouses.''

''Two years ago the Latvian authorities asked Ireland to take action to stop these marriages, mostly conducted with Pakistani, Bangladeshi, and Indian men. Being married to an EU national means the husband can apply for a passport of an EU country.''

However, Minister Shatter appears to be taking a laidback approach to this. According to the Examiner's report, the Department of Justice did comment directly on this but a statement issued by it ''said that minister Alan Shatter said he was working closely with his counterpart in Britain on the issue and had asked officials to re-examine to draft amendments on immigration related sham marriages in the Immigration Residence and Protection Bill 2010 and the Free Movement regulations that transposed the EU directive into Irish law.''

Full report here: 400 a year trafficked for sham marriages | Irish Examiner

Meanwhile, the trafficking goes on and yet more bogus applications for residency and citizenship are submitted.

One must seriously question whether Minister Shatter regards immigration matters even those involving the serious abuse of vulnerable women and blatant criminality involved as warranting urgent attention?

This raises an allied and perhaps a more core issue about the Minister for Justice and Equality and Defence's appreciation of and vision for Ireland. Does the eminent Minister, who makes great fanfare out of handing out Irish citizenship to those who ''qualify'' on a publicly trumpeted 'fast-tracked' basis, really believe in Ireland as a nation State or does he just consider our country as an optionally permanent halting site, with citizenship thrown in for those who stay around long enough, for global humanity and irrespective of the criminality involved?

Look someone has to fill all the empty properties that are owned by our FF/FG/Labour landlords. Why would Minister Shatter hinder potential tenants entering this Flawed State.
 

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How about addressing the issues raised in the OP?
I wish the government well in stopping this.

And to be fair the article does say that they are working on this. The fact that the relevnt bill is currently going through the Oireachtas should speed things up as well.
 

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Another debacle where lazybones is dragging his heels and doing SFA.
I wouldn't call him lazy he appears to be one of the more active members of this government. He might not be prioritising areas you would like him to prioritise.

In any case is this really all his fault as opposed to all the ministers for justice before him?
 

Fides

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Shatter doesn't care one bit for Ireland.

I think all Jews refer to Israel as their homeland.
I doubt that.

I have known and been in school with quite a few Jewish people in my life. None ever referred to Israel as their homeland. But then I'm a "west Brit". We do like to label people who don't fit into a particular definition of being Irish.
 

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I wish the government well in stopping this.

And to be fair the article does say that they are working on this. The fact that the relevnt bill is currently going through the Oireachtas should speed things up as well.
We all wish the Government well in tackling criminality. However it seems that it is taking an inordinate time to do anything about this. The Gardai cannot stop these fraudulent marriages and the criminals are getting away with it and it makes even more of a laughing stock of our immigration controls if that is possible. Minister Shatter meanwhile is doing what exactly?
 

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This would be so easy to fix.

The girls go for it because they don't feel its 'real' marriage. They feel they can go home and forget about it after. Solution - stamp it in their passport. In Eastern Europe this is the tradition for 'official' marriage and it prevents them re-marrying in their home country without divorce.

Second solution: make it illegal for someone here illegally to get married. This is common in other EU states also. If you are on a tourist visa or no visa you can't get married. You must be officially and legally resident to get married.

Problem sorted.
 

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In fairness if you asked shatter, what does it mean to be irish i'd say he'd be scratching his head because he gives away irish citizenship like you'd give away smarties.
 

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We all wish the Government well in tackling criminality. However it seems that it is taking an inordinate time to do anything about this. The Gardai cannot stop these fraudulent marriages and the criminals are getting away with it and it makes even more of a laughing stock of our immigration controls if that is possible. Minister Shatter meanwhile is doing what exactly?
Working on amendments on immigration related sham marriages to the Immigration Residence and Protection Bill 2010 and the Free Movement regulations that transposed the EU directive into Irish law. The bill is currently before the Dáil and Seanad.

It's at the bottem of your article.
 

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In fairness if you asked shatter, what does it mean to be irish i'd say he'd be scratching his head because he gives away irish citizenship like you'd give away smarties.
Imagine giving citizenship to people whove lived here for nearly a decade. Just imagine. Doesn't he know citizenship is reserved for fetuses?
 

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And people say there's no anti-semitism in Ireland or on this site.
I must be rather stupid - how is it anti-semitic to discuss Alan Shatter and where his loyalties may lie?

Has he introduced some sort of new gagging legislation I'm unaware of?
 

Dr Pat

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This would be so easy to fix.

The girls go for it because they don't feel its 'real' marriage. They feel they can go home and forget about it after. Solution - stamp it in their passport. In Eastern Europe this is the tradition for 'official' marriage and it prevents them re-marrying in their home country without divorce.

Second solution: make it illegal for someone here illegally to get married. This is common in other EU states also. If you are on a tourist visa or no visa you can't get married. You must be officially and legally resident to get married.

Problem sorted.
Don't think these are foolproof.

What if the Latvian's passport is declared as 'lost'? Will the marriage be stamped again in the new passport? On the second one, given the laughable state and controls of Ireland's immigration's law, how many are actually illegal here? Are they illegal only when declared to be overstayers? What if they are here on bogus asylum claims which many of them are? Your solution does not appear to cover those situations.
 

seabhcan

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Don't think these are foolproof.

What if the Latvian's passport is declared as 'lost'? Will the marriage be stamped again in the new passport? On the second one, given the laughable state and controls of Ireland's immigration's law, how many are actually illegal here? Are they illegal only when declared to be overstayers? What if they are here on bogus asylum claims which many of them are? Your solution does not appear to cover those situations.
In other countries, the burden of proof is on the person claiming they are legally resident. A non EU national would be required to prove they were here legally before they could be allowed to be married.

Our current system is that you must publish a notice 3 months before you get married (which is silly and outdated).
 

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In fairness if you asked shatter, what does it mean to be irish i'd say he'd be scratching his head because he gives away irish citizenship like you'd give away smarties.
In fairness I'd say you have no clue what 'fairness' actually means.
 
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