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Minister Shatter, Sham Marriages and Ireland

BodyPolathick

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Do you actually believe that Shatter is seeking to undermine the Irish state because he's a Jew?
Where did he say that?

If you disagree with the OP why not debate the issue with valid criticism or better post some facts rather than the above BS
 


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It's anti-semitic to question Shatter's loyalty to this state on the basis that he's Jewish.
But is it anti-Irish to question Alan Shatter's loyalty to this state on the basis that we're Irish and he's employed by the citizens of this state to represent our interests and our interests alone.
 

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That would explain why Britain and Germany are in pretty much the same boat as Ireland on this issue, then.
Yep both their Minister's for Justice, must be Jewish too and trying to wipe out their native populations in revenge for the Holocaust.

I never knew the British Minister, Chrish Grayling was Jewish, but I guess I must have been wrong. No idea who the German one is, but clearly must be Jewish too.
 

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Where did he say that?

If you disagree with the OP why not debate the issue with valid criticism or better post some facts rather than the above BS
It isn't possible to discuss the issues raised in the OP in a context that is poisoned by anti-Semitic commentary.
 

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Even if there were true, why can't YOU discuss the issues?
OK, of course this situation should be dealt with, and, according to the article you linked to in the OP, it is being dealt with in the only way it can be, which is by passing new legislation. It appears that our British and German neighbours have the same issue. Do you know if they are also in the process of framing new legislation?

The end.
 

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OK, of course this situation should be dealt with, and, according to the article you linked to in the OP, it is being dealt with in the only way it can be, which is by passing new legislation. It appears that our British and German neighbours have the same issue. Do you know if they are also in the process of framing new legislation?

The end.
How about emergency rights to enable Gardai to legally object to these scam marriages? How about tightening the requirements for marriage in the State by foreign nationals? How about Shatter stop talking to British officials and do something off his own bat for once?
 

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Yes he's trying to wipe out the Irish nation because we didn't help Jews during WWII.

You really couldn't make up some of the stuff on this site.
It is just my opinion on Shatters motives for doing certain things.
 

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How about emergency rights to enable Gardai to legally object to these scam marriages? How about tightening the requirements for marriage in the State by foreign nationals? How about Shatter stop talking to British officials and do something off his own bat for once?
Maybe a shoot-to-kill policy?

Emergency rights are never a good idea.
 

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Last month you had a brothel madam given a suspended sentence and a 5k fine despite the fact that two women rescued from her brothel were there under duress.
A suspended sentence for sexual slavery and a 5 grand fine that ammounts to a weeks takings probably.
Last year there was the case of a Pakistani man kept as an effective slave by a takeaway owner who successfully challenged the awarding of 'back pay owed' (sic) because the man was not legally in the country and thus not subject to employment law.
The Latvian government are not formally complaining about the sham marriage situation for no good reason. Many of these girls are naive in believing that such a marriage is money for old rope, they can easily find themselves held prisoner and subjected to threats, abuse and rape.

This has nothing to do with Shatter's religion (I wish people would not bother replying to obvious trolls) and everything to do with the attitude that ultimately these people don't matter so they don't rank on the agenda.
You can take the Church out of the laundry business, but it seems that you can't take the Magdeline mentality out of the state....
 
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How about emergency rights to enable Gardai to legally object to these scam marriages? How about tightening the requirements for marriage in the State by foreign nationals? How about Shatter stop talking to British officials and do something off his own bat for once?
I'd reckon he's talking to the Brits because we have a common travel area and also a land border. This problem has to be sorted out ASAP and the immigration from non EU states has to be restricted and based on a points system.
 

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Maybe a shoot-to-kill policy?

Emergency rights are never a good idea.
Perhaps, you were right after all - with ridiculous comments like that, you at least are clearly unable to discuss it seriously and obviously have little to contribute. Perhaps given your avatar, you might consider doggerel?
 

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I'd reckon he's talking to the Brits because we have a common travel area and also a land border. This problem has to be sorted out ASAP and the immigration from non EU states has to be restricted and based on a points system.
Quite probably but it doesn't prevent him taking some interim measures to stop this criminality, that is, if he could be bothered.
 

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Why don't the Latvians and Lithuanians get off their asses and inform their own women that doing this is bloody stupid?
 

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According to a report in the Irish Examiner today,

''About 400 young women are being trafficked into Ireland to take part in sham marriages while the Government has so far failed to close a loophole that allows the criminals organising them to go free.''

''Figures released last year by the Department of Justice said that up to the end of Sept 2011, there were 553 applications for residency from non-EU nationals as a spouse of an EU citizen, a third involved Latvian or Lithuanian spouses.''

''Two years ago the Latvian authorities asked Ireland to take action to stop these marriages, mostly conducted with Pakistani, Bangladeshi, and Indian men. Being married to an EU national means the husband can apply for a passport of an EU country.''

However, Minister Shatter appears to be taking a laidback approach to this. According to the Examiner's report, the Department of Justice did comment directly on this but a statement issued by it ''said that minister Alan Shatter said he was working closely with his counterpart in Britain on the issue and had asked officials to re-examine to draft amendments on immigration related sham marriages in the Immigration Residence and Protection Bill 2010 and the Free Movement regulations that transposed the EU directive into Irish law.''

Full report here: 400 a year trafficked for sham marriages | Irish Examiner

Meanwhile, the trafficking goes on and yet more bogus applications for residency and citizenship are submitted.

One must seriously question whether Minister Shatter regards immigration matters even those involving the serious abuse of vulnerable women and blatant criminality involved as warranting urgent attention?

This raises an allied and perhaps a more core issue about the Minister for Justice and Equality and Defence's appreciation of and vision for Ireland. Does the eminent Minister, who makes great fanfare out of handing out Irish citizenship to those who ''qualify'' on a publicly trumpeted 'fast-tracked' basis, really believe in Ireland as a nation State or does he just consider our country as an optionally permanent halting site, with citizenship thrown in for those who stay around long enough, for global humanity and irrespective of the criminality involved?
The saddest thing in all of this, is the children who happen to be born from this... It's different story if a couple stayed married, but in most cases it breaks after the paperwork is sorted out...
 

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But is it anti-Irish to question Alan Shatter's loyalty to this state on the basis that we're Irish and he's employed by the citizens of this state to represent our interests and our interests alone.
It's probably anti Alan Shatter. It might also be extremely stupid depending on what your grounds are.
 

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Perhaps, you were right after all - with ridiculous comments like that, you at least are clearly unable to discuss it seriously and obviously have little to contribute. Perhaps given your avatar, you might consider doggerel?
I'm perfectly serious. The notion that we would give the Gardai emergency powers to deal with such an essentially trivial matter is abhorrent to the very concept of living in a democracy. It's dangerous enough doing so in times of, for instance, serious terrorist threat; to do so because of 400 dodgy marriages is totally disproportionate.
 

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That would explain why Britain and Germany are in pretty much the same boat as Ireland on this issue, then.
I am speaking about our minister for justice "Alan shatter" and possible reasons for his reluctance to implement stronger immigration controls.
 

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Hear what an taoiseach has to say...........

Kenny hits out at Smithwick snub republicans

on 01/02/2013 12:23:51

Taoiseach Enda Kenny has hit out at republicans who have refused to give evidence at the Smithwick tribunal into IRA-Garda collusion.

Mr Kenny criticised the decision by former Provisionals on the back of renewed calls from Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams for a truth and reconciliation forum to cement the Northern Ireland peace process.

Tribunal chair Judge Peter Smithwick revealed that his investigators have cut ties with three former IRA members as they examine the murders of two senior policemen in 1989.

The IRA members, one who had direct knowledge of the killings, had been assisting the tribunal over the ambush of Chief Superintendent Harry Breen and Superintendent Bob Buchanan.

"Those who were engaged with the Smithwick tribunal should now have the decency to give up the information that is necessary for the Smithwick tribunal to do its work," the Taoiseach said.

"We all believed that these things were in the past and for the Sinn Fein leader to continuously call for a truth and reconciliation commission is something that could be applied to those Provisional IRA members who have information on serious incidents and tragedies in the past that they should own up to."

Only one meeting took place between tribunal lawyers and the IRA members.

They answered some questions in private but refused a second meeting late last year and refused to be questioned in person at the inquiry.
Wrong thread?
 

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I am speaking about our minister for justice "Alan shatter" and possible reasons for his reluctance to implement stronger immigration controls.
So am I. I'm just doing so without racist blinkers.
 

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