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Miracle on Serrano St - baby born 4 months after his mother was declared brain-dead in Lisbon

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This is a real Good News story folks :cool:

A baby has been born in Portugal almost four months after his mother was declared brain-dead.

The boy, who weighed 5lb 3oz (2.4kg), was delivered by caesarean section at Lisbon’s São José hospital at 32 weeks, after his mother, 37, suffered a brain haemorrhage on 20 February.

The decision to continue with the pregnancy was made in consultation with the father.


Apparently there have been recent cases in Poland, USA and the UK

But not in Ireland apparently

- where such practises are seen as 'barbaric' and 'medieval' left overs from the days we were ruled from Rome....

Well its heartening to see that at least in some parts of the World the Right to Life of the unborn

- is still upheld...

:Dhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/08/baby-born-to-brain-dead-mother-in-portugal
 


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"Good News story"?

WTF?
 

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OH here we go.

In the Irish case al the medical experts who gave evidence in the case
said the chances of the unborn child surviving were minimal. Intensive care specialist Dr Brian Marsh said the view of medical science was that the woman was now a corpse. “I don’t believe this unborn baby can survive,” Marsh told the high court .

The woman concerned was 17 weeks pregnant.

Unless we accept that under no circumstances should life support be switched off when a brain dead woman is pregnant,irrespective of the viability of the foetus, then this must always be a decision where medical opinion is relevant.

This is the medical evidence presented to the Dublin Hight court:

"Dr. Frances Colreavy, an intensive care specialist, said she had inspected the woman's body Monday and found it unrecognizable in comparison to the woman's photo by her bedside.


Colreavy said she had practised medicine for decades in Ireland and Australia and never witnessed a clinically dead person being kept on life support for so long. She said the woman's blood was becoming increasingly toxic.


Dr. Peter McKenna, former master of Dublin's Rotunda Maternity Hospital, said the treatment, if not stopped now, would go "from the extraordinary to the grotesque."
In their testimony, doctors offered varying estimates on when the fetus might be delivered with an acceptable chance of survival, if not good health. McKenna said it could be attempted when the fetus reached 28 weeks, still more than two months away, impractically long given the body's accelerating collapse."

Take brain-dead pregnant woman off life support, Irish doctors argue - Health - CBC News

Abortion is legal in Portugal BTW.
 
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If you've something to say, spit it out!
The story of a woman's brain-dead condition being accompanied by a sunglass-wearing smiley doesn't seem off to you?

The absence of information in the OP about her disposition doesn't rase any questions?

Yay! Women's wombs continue to work even when They're brain- dead.
 
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The story of a woman's brain-dead condition being accompanied by a sunglass-wearing smiley doesn't seem off to you?

The absence of information in the OP about her disposition doesn't rase any questions?

Yay! Women's wombs continue to work even when They're brain- dead.
The woman was dead, she had nothing to lose or gain. A new life was born, and that is something to be celebrated, particularly a life that has survived such adversity. Not good propaganda for the abortionists, but fukk them!
 
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The woman was dead, she had nothing to lose or gain. A new life was born, and that is something to be celebrated, particularly a life that has survived such adversity. Not good propaganda for the abortionists, but fukk them!
Disgusting.
 

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The story of a woman's brain-dead condition being accompanied by a sunglass-wearing smiley doesn't seem off to you?

The absence of information in the OP about her disposition doesn't rase any questions?

Yay! Women's wombs continue to work even when They're brain- dead.
Of course you cannot really compare the two cases without being a trained medical professional. There were very good reasons why life support was switched off in the case here, not being overly familiar with the case in Portugal, I would assume that from a medical point of view, she was still able to nurture the child in utero to the point whereby a viable delivery could take place.

But lets not get sidetracked by science and facts and stuff.

What is clear though is that some people are more interested in childish, tribalistic displays of triumphalism with dead womens bodies being viewed as a perfectly acceptable field of battle.

As for the 'miracle', I am curious to know what made the OP call it that - was it the fact that a young woman died or a child will now grow up without a mother?

A very curious miracle I would have thought.
 

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The woman was dead, she had nothing to lose or gain. A new life was born, and that is something to be celebrated, particularly a life that has survived such adversity. Not good propaganda for the abortionists, but fukk them!
So celebrate a new life. Any words of sympathy for the dead young woman? I have yet to see any, as far as I can see, this issue is a good microcosm of the whole abortion debate, whereby a womens body is irrelevant and if it should happen to expire during pregnancy, no matter, so long as you can stick it to the 'abortionistas' that is what truly matters....

As for the use of emoticons in the OP - really says it all about the person who wrote it.
 
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Of course you cannot really compare the two cases without being a trained medical professional. There were very good reasons why life support was switched off in the case here, not being overly familiar with the case in Portugal, I would assume that from a medical point of view, she was still able to nurture the child in utero to the point whereby a viable delivery could take place.

But lets not get sidetracked by science and facts and stuff.

What is clear though is that some people are more interested in childish, tribalistic displays of triumphalism with dead womens bodies being viewed as a perfectly acceptable field of battle.

As for the 'miracle', I am curious to know what made the OP call it that - was it the fact that a young woman died or a child will now grow up without a mother?

A very curious miracle I would have thought.
Probably more to do with the fact that a child will grow up. Don't limit your options!
 
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So celebrate a new life. Any words of sympathy for the dead young woman? I have yet to see any, as far as I can see, this issue is a good microcosm of the whole abortion debate, whereby a womens body is irrelevant and if it should happen to expire during pregnancy, no matter, so long as you can stick it to the 'abortionistas' that is what truly matters....

As for the use of emoticons in the OP - really says it all about the person who wrote it.
You'd be better off concerning yourself with the substance of the issue - the birth of a healthy baby against the odds - rather than obsessing about trivia such as emoticons.
 

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You'd be better off concerning yourself with the substance of the issue - the birth of a healthy baby against the odds - rather than obsessing about trivia such as emoticons.
But that isn't the motivation of the OP. It's to draw comparisons between what happen in Portugal and what happened in Ireland and then use the Portuguese situation to attack what happened here. The fact the child survived is absolutely amazing, but no matter how amazing it is, it is still a very tragic start to your life not having a mother. The OP, however, was far more interested in cheap, tactless point scoring and displayed absolutely zero sympathy regarding the death of the young woman, or the fact her husband lost his wife or the child lost its mother.

Smiley faces and comments bemoaning the fall of the dominance of Catholicism were what this was really about.

Quite sad really.
 

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So celebrate a new life. Any words of sympathy for the dead young woman? I have yet to see any, as far as I can see, this issue is a good microcosm of the whole abortion debate, whereby a womens body is irrelevant and if it should happen to expire during pregnancy, no matter, so long as you can stick it to the 'abortionistas' that is what truly matters....

As for the use of emoticons in the OP - really says it all about the person who wrote it.
In the circumstances your preferred outcome would have been what?
 

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In the circumstances your preferred outcome would have been what?
Why ask this question? The answer is quite obvious - that both mother and child survived and thrived.

But as I say above, why ask this question - did you truly think anyone would have a preferred outcome other than that?
 

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Why ask this question? The answer is quite obvious - that both mother and child survived and thrived.

But as I say above, why ask this question - did you truly think anyone would have a preferred outcome other than that?
Try the question again and this time read it first, particularly the "in the circumstances" bit.
 

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Try the question again and this time read it first, particularly the "in the circumstances" bit.
My apologies, I misread.

In this circumstance, what happened was the best possible outcome - the mother passed away but the child survived.
 

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My apologies, I misread.

In this circumstance, what happened was the best possible outcome - the mother passed away but the child survived.
Hard to see what your problem is so, unless you see it as somehow undermining all the "outrage" various groups displayed at the thought of a similar happening here some months ago.
 

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