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Miscegenation - the fun and beneficial way to solve our problems


DavidCaldwell

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NB - the use of the word "miscegenation" is meant to be a small joke aimed at anybody who is feeling uneasy about mixed marriages. Please note that my own marriage crosses the religious divide.
 

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NB - the use of the word "miscegenation" is meant to be a small joke aimed at anybody who is feeling uneasy about mixed marriages. Please note that my own marriage crosses the religious divide.
If there was no religion, there wouldn't be any divide. :)
 

statsman

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If current trends of inter-marriage continue (1 in 10 - Northern Ireland Mixed Marriage Association) , in time we will become one community. At which point, most of the our problems will no longer be relevant. But, of course, it make take 100 years or so.

Any thoughts?
You'd need to demonstrate how marriage can be said to be fun, in this or any other universe.
 

between the bridges

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In a recent survey 6% of OO members said they would favour 'mixed' marriage as this is 1% higher than either general community (10% divided by two sides is 5%) it actually proves that OO members are less sectarian than the rest of the community.

All you non-members bow your heads in shame...
 

thegregster

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In a recent survey 6% of OO members said they would favour 'mixed' marriage as this is 1% higher than either general community (10% divided by two sides is 5%) it actually proves that OO members are less sectarian than the rest of the community.

All you non-members bow your heads in shame...
Yeah but not in a Catholic Church. Otherwise you would be expelled from the OO.
 

DavidCaldwell

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In a recent survey 6% of OO members said they would favour 'mixed' marriage as this is 1% higher than either general community (10% divided by two sides is 5%) it actually proves that OO members are less sectarian than the rest of the community.

All you non-members bow your heads in shame...
You nearly get away with it - but 10% (i.e. 10/100) of a population made up of two equal parts works out at 5/50 for each part, which is 10% again, not 5%.

So you cannot claim that the OO is less sectarian.

Do you do the one with the three cups and the coin hidden under one?
 

Glenshane4

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NB - the use of the word "miscegenation" is meant to be a small joke aimed at anybody who is feeling uneasy about mixed marriages. Please note that my own marriage crosses the religious divide.
Where is your evidence that mixed marriage would reduce the sectarian tensions? Have you never heard of people having rows with the in-laws or, at least, not having a very high opinon of the in-laws.

Have you ever tried refereeing a gaelic football match between two teams from the same parish in which cousins are playing against each other? And a camogie match with the same family scenario is far, far worse. Teenage girls are the most vicious creatures on this planet.

Many of the best known terrorists in Northern Ireland have been products of mixed marriages. Lenny Murphy and Michael Stone come immediately to mind. Gusty Spense's nephew was in prison as the same time as Gusty - for IRA activities. Tommy Herron the UDA leader had close relations who were Catholics. Did David Tweed's sister marry a Catholic?

No sir, having sex with heretics does not offer a solution to Ulster's problems.
 
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DavidCaldwell

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@Glenshane4,

You are arguing against the idea that sex with heretics is beneficial. I note you do not address the question as to whether it is fun.

The fact that many terrorists came from mixed marriages might be explained by the idea that if the tribal divisions become so bad that there is violence, someone from a mixed marriage might be led to act in an extreme manner to demonstrate that he is loyal to the tribe, despite his "questionable" background.

If so, mixed marriages might still be generally beneficial - by reducing tribal divisions in normal, peaceful times - even if they are not a panacea (as your evidence suggests).
 

between the bridges

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Where is your evidence that mixed marriage would reduce the sectarian tensions? Have you never heard of people having rows with the in-laws or, at least, not having a very high opinon of the in-laws.

Have you ever tried refereeing a gaelic football match between two teams from the same parish in which cousins are playing against each other? And a camogie match with the same family scenario is far, far worse. Teenage girls are the most vicious creatures on this planet.

Many of the best known terrorists in Northern Ireland have been products of mixed marriages. Lenny Murphy and Michael Stone come immediately to mind. Gusty Spense's nephew was in prison as the same time as Gusty - for IRA activities. Tommy Herron the UDA leader had close relations who were Catholics. Did David Tweed's sister marry a Catholic?

No sir, having sex with heretics does not offer a solution to Ulster problems.
were would one find these sex heretics...
 

tiocfaidh

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In a recent survey 6% of OO members said they would favour 'mixed' marriage as this is 1% higher than either general community (10% divided by two sides is 5%) it actually proves that OO members are less sectarian than the rest of the community.

All you non-members bow your heads in shame...
Well, your maths skills are as sound as your political logic.

Percentages don't work that way. If 10% in NI as a whole believe in mixed marriages, then 10% of each community, on average (disregarding minor differences due to the somewhat larger size of the PUL community) believes in it.

The exact formula:

X = % size of PUL community in decimal fomat (e.g., 52% = .55)
Y = % size of CNR community in decimal fomat (e.g., .45)
A = % of PUL community in favour of mixed marriages in decimal fomat (e.g., .09)
B = % of CNR community in favour of mixed marriages in decimal fomat (e.g., .12)

(X * A) + (Y * B) = .10

Which proves, incontrovertibly, that OO members ARE more sectarian on this issue than the population as a whole. Which should surprise no-one.
 

Glenshane4

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@Glenshane4,

You are arguing against the idea that sex with heretics is beneficial. I note you do not address the question as to whether it is fun.

The fact that many terrorists came from mixed marriages might be explained by the idea that if the tribal divisions become so bad that there is violence, someone from a mixed marriage might be led to act in an extreme manner to demonstrate that he is loyal to the tribe, despite his "questionable" background.

If so, mixed marriages might still be generally beneficial - by reducing tribal divisions in normal, peaceful times - even if they are not a panacea (as your evidence suggests).
"Normal peaceful times". In Northern Ireland peaceful times are abnormal. My apologies for being pedantic.
 

between the bridges

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Well, your maths skills are as sound as your political logic.

Percentages don't work that way. If 10% in NI as a whole believe in mixed marriages, then 10% of each community, on average (disregarding minor differences due to the somewhat larger size of the PUL community) believes in it.

The exact formula:

X = % size of PUL community in decimal fomat (e.g., 52% = .55)
Y = % size of CNR community in decimal fomat (e.g., .45)
A = % of PUL community in favour of mixed marriages in decimal fomat (e.g., .09)
B = % of CNR community in favour of mixed marriages in decimal fomat (e.g., .12)

(X * A) + (Y * B) = .10

Which proves, incontrovertibly, that OO members ARE more sectarian on this issue than the population as a whole. Which should surprise no-one.
whooooooooooooooooosh...
 

Glenshane4

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@Glenshane4,

You are arguing against the idea that sex with heretics is beneficial. I note you do not address the question as to whether it is fun.
I disapprove of fun. I am a Catholic. There is far, far too much sex in the world. Unfortunately, some of it seems to be necessary.
 

DavidCaldwell

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Well, your maths skills are as sound as your political logic.

Percentages don't work that way. If 10% in NI as a whole believe in mixed marriages, then 10% of each community, on average (disregarding minor differences due to the somewhat larger size of the PUL community) believes in it.

The exact formula:

X = % size of PUL community in decimal fomat (e.g., 52% = .55)
Y = % size of CNR community in decimal fomat (e.g., .45)
A = % of PUL community in favour of mixed marriages in decimal fomat (e.g., .09)
B = % of CNR community in favour of mixed marriages in decimal fomat (e.g., .12)

(X * A) + (Y * B) = .10

Which proves, incontrovertibly, that OO members ARE more sectarian on this issue than the population as a whole. Which should surprise no-one.
You could of course simplify things by expressing Y as (1-X) and B as (0.1 - X.A) / (1 - X)
 
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between the bridges

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I disapprove of fun. I am a Catholic. There is far, far too much sex in the world. Unfortunately, some of it seems to be necessary.
classic, take a bow...
 
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