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MLA: name Narrow Water bridge after Parachute Regiment


InsideImDancing

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An Ulster Unionist MLA has said the Narrow Water bridge should be called the Parachute Regiment Bridge.

Sam Gardiner, MLA for Upper Bann but originally from Lurgan, County Armagh, said it should be "named after the 18 members of the Parachute Regiment who were murdered there by the IRA."

BBC News - MLA: name Narrow Water bridge after Parachute Regiment

So they want to name the new North-South bridge after the Paras, the same Paras who gunned down 27 civil rights protesters in Derry killing 14 of them, the same Paras who were responsible for the deaths of so many in Ballymurphy. It's absolutely crystal clear that there are many in the Unionist community who couldn't care less about the deaths of innocent Catholics in the conflict, particularly those killed by their glorious sec forces. This is evidenced by the Para flags that went up in the Fountain in Derry and in other thoroughfares into the city, just in time for the anniversary of Bloody Sunday last year - some of them still being up.

And that is not even to mention the rank stupidity in this suggestion. I could live with it if not for the rank hypocrisy of it, they've recently put a UDR statue in Lisburn, given British regiments the freedom of towns in the North and what about the bench to commemorate a Loyalist Paramilitary? Then they cry their eyes out when the Shinners respond in kind?

They are trying their utmost to paint a one-sided story of the conflict and that is very far from a recipe for peace.

Ulster will fight and Ulster will be right....

It will also be partitioned in two and one half will be divided down the middle by peace walls and hate....

It's all good though, let's have a march to celebrate the glorious covenant.
 


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Ugh for god sake ignore them bloody bitter auld politicans. Ask the friggen public. I'm fed up of them stupid sour idiots going on as if they speak for us.

Who the frig would name a bridge after a person who was bombed. Stupid bloody country.

Wise up and name it after the townland its in or something.
 

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The saddest thing about this is the fact that this unionist has calculated this as a direct response to the park being named after an IRA hunger striker.

All that outrage and public anger in unionist circles at how nationalists could be so insensitive towards their community, only to have one of the same angry men proposing to call a bridge after a British Army regiment that was responsible for one of the most divisive massacres in the recent conflict of the nationalist population.

That's where NI politics is at in 2013, and it is utterly embarrassing and shameful. You hurt us with the play park naming, well I'll see your hurt and raise you sensitivities.

The DUP was scolded by the BRL for using the cenotaph at City Hall as a political football, now it's the UUP's turn to settle political scores in 2013 with the memory of 18 dead paras. Classy.
 
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A Sinn Fein MLA got up and said "can the tagline be 'Caution: Sniper at Work" only to be censured by the Speaker.
 

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The saddest thing about this is the fact that this unionist has calculated this as a direct response to the park being named after an IRA hunger striker.

All that outrage and public anger in unionist circles at how nationalists could be so insensitive towards their community, only to have one of the same angry men proposing to call a bridge after a British Army regiment that was responsible for one of the most divisive massacres in the recent conflict of the nationalist population.

That's where NI politics is at in 2013, and it is utterly embarrassing and shameful. You hurt us with the play park naming, well I'll see your hurt and raise you sensitivities.
Have to agree with you there, the only positive is that it came from some old goat who is pretty low profile.
 

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I would agree that it this would be a bad idea (although I wonder if it is, in fact, a serious suggestion - it might be just trying to make a point).

We all have our strengths and weaknesses. The Parachute Regiment displayed its strengths on D-Day and an Arnhem and, deservedly, has memorials in these places.

But on Bloody Sunday and in Ballymurphy, some members of the Parachute Regiment didn't live up to what should be expected from an army of a democracy. So it shouldn't have a memorial in Northern Ireland.


A final thought - RIP to the eighteen fellow-soldiers killed at Narrow Water and credit to their comrades who, unlike Soldier F, didn't give in the temptation to commit reprisal killings.
 

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Will he receive a dressing down by his party for this kinda crap?

Are any politicians in Northern Ireland in anyway responsible for the bother te words that spill out of their mouths cause? I mean it actually seems the goal is to get in the paper by offending the other side and you will secure a few votes.
 

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I would agree that it this would be a bad idea (although I wonder if it is, in fact, a serious suggestion - it might be just trying to make a point).

We all have our strengths and weaknesses. The Parachute Regiment displayed its strengths on D-Day and an Arnhem and, deservedly, has memorials in these places.

But on Bloody Sunday and in Ballymurphy, some members of the Parachute Regiment didn't live up to what should be expected from an army of a democracy. So it shouldn't have a memorial in Northern Ireland.


A final thought - RIP to the eighteen fellow-soldiers killed at Narrow Water and credit to their comrades who, unlike Soldier F, didn't give in the temptation to commit reprisal killings.
Apart from English tourist, Michael Hudson.
 

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A final thought - RIP to the eighteen fellow-soldiers killed at Narrow Water and credit to their comrades who, unlike Soldier F, didn't give in the temptation to commit reprisal killings.
Because they were confined to barracks for weeks afterwards.
 

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Because they were confined to barracks for weeks afterwards.
In Caldwell's world only soldier F was responsible for shooting 27 innocent civilians, it was only human that one might take revenge for the great evil that was the Irish nationalists. It was one or two lone soldiers who lost the head, that's how the theory goes. I hold him in contempt for that.
 

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I would imagine that you don't like jokes about Hunger Strikers. Your comment comes across as the same type of taunting.
How? He was just another civilian who was killed by the BA.
 

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If so, that tells us something about the British Army's efforts to keep within the law. Do you agree?
Only, and I'll repeat, only because it was counter-productive to their rotten cause.
 

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This is needlessly offensive, especially in what is a Nationalist area. The Parachute Regiment has, and always will have, bogeyman status in Ireland after their actions on Bloody Sunday.

A simple minded attention seeker at work.
 

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In Caldwell's world only soldier F was responsible for shooting 27 innocent civilians, it was only human that one might take revenge for the great evil that was the Irish nationalists. It was one or two lone soldiers who lost the head, that's how the theory goes. I hold him in contempt for that.
In my world, soldiers are people like the rest of us, with human weaknesses.

The evil wasn't Irish Nationalism - it was the killings, from all sides.

A few soldiers lost their heads and committed murder. Somewhat more gave in the to temptation to harass people. But most did their best.

I don't hold you in contempt. I just think you are someone who has a different view-point to me. If you had had my experiences, you would probably think much in same way as me. If I had had your experiences, I would probably think like you. The truth probably lies somewhere in between. We can each get closer to the truth by listening to each other and by remembering that everyone thinks they are right.
 

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Looks like it's time to roll this one out again :

David Caldwell should be along again any minute now to advise that :


- "by international standards, the British Army Parachute Regiment is obviously better than most"
- "by and large the British Army Parachute Regiment played by the book"
- "there were only a couple of bad apples"

and of course, " for the most part, more or less, to a certain degree, in a broad sense at least, a case could well be argued, that at all times an earnest commitment to the highest virtues were always - at least in principle - maintained and that a solemn undertaking to uphold traditional British values by the Britsh Army Parachute Regiment was always paramount. "


Getting kinda' predictable.
 

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