Moderating the Electoral college.

cropbeye

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As American politics has a great reluctance to radically changing
the traditions and checks and balance method of electoral practice is there a way changes can be made in a moderate way
that delivers more fairness.

Unlike European centered critics approach there is arguably a lot that is good in the American system that contributes to stability
and confidence. Thus would it not be the best approach to make changes to the electoral college system in a modest and incremental basis.

I would suggest the following. Increase the number of electoral college votes from 531 by 60 to 591.
Firstly all current votes per state are awarded as currently. This adds up to 531. Then the following should be looked at. We take 2%
of the popular vote. If the gap in popular vote between the candidate in first place and the candidate in second place is = or more than
the 2% of the popular vote then the candidate in first place gets a bonus of 60 votes. Thus the President elect needs to get half of 591
votes.
 


blokesbloke

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Don't be ridiculous, the moderators can't even mod P.ie correctly let alone the US Electoral College.

Ye mad thing ye. Go and have a lie down.
 

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To change the Constitution you need two thirds majorities in House and Senate, followed by three quarters of the legislatures. Nixon tried to change it and it passed the House but was fillibustered in the Senate.

The only thing that MIGHT work is the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact which is a pact between states that the electors in their states should vote with the national popular vote. But only 11 states have passed it and it only comes into force when states representing 270 EVs pass it. All the states which have passed it are ones that voted for HRC.
 
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As American politics has a great reluctance to radically changing
the traditions and checks and balance method of electoral practice is there a way changes can be made in a moderate way
that delivers more fairness.

Unlike European centered critics approach there is arguably a lot that is good in the American system that contributes to stability
and confidence. Thus would it not be the best approach to make changes to the electoral college system in a modest and incremental basis.

I would suggest the following. Increase the number of electoral college votes from 531 by 60 to 591.
Firstly all current votes per state are awarded as currently. This adds up to 531. Then the following should be looked at. We take 2%
of the popular vote. If the gap in popular vote between the candidate in first place and the candidate in second place is = or more than
the 2% of the popular vote then the candidate in first place gets a bonus of 60 votes. Thus the President elect needs to get half of 591
votes.
No.

The electoral college system is genius.

It prevents California and New York influencing every election.

Question your own back yard.

Should Ireland have the same voting power as Germany in the EU? Should circa 4m people have the same weighted votes as 80million?

Yes it is a fair comparison.
 

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No.

The electoral college system is genius.

It prevents California and New York influencing every election.

Question your own back yard.

Should Ireland have the same voting power as Germany in the EU? Should circa 4m people have the same weighted votes as 80million?

Yes it is a fair comparison.
But gives undue influence to Ohio and other random places.
 

cropbeye

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No.

The electoral college system is genius.

It prevents California and New York influencing every election.

Question your own back yard.

Should Ireland have the same voting power as Germany in the EU? Should circa 4m people have the same weighted votes as 80million?

Yes it is a fair comparison.
I agree a lot of what the U.S model offers is good. Yes yet as californias and new yorks population continues to grow this should be reflected to some extent. No Ireland should not have equal say. Indeed in future there should be a panel of senior and junior euro commissioners. For a senior commissioner Ireland should have to rotate with the likes of Portugal and Denmark. I agree it is a fair comparison.
 

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As American politics has a great reluctance to radically changing
the traditions and checks and balance method of electoral practice is there a way changes can be made in a moderate way
that delivers more fairness.

Unlike European centered critics approach there is arguably a lot that is good in the American system that contributes to stability
and confidence. Thus would it not be the best approach to make changes to the electoral college system in a modest and incremental basis.

I would suggest the following. Increase the number of electoral college votes from 531 by 60 to 591.
Firstly all current votes per state are awarded as currently. This adds up to 531. Then the following should be looked at. We take 2%
of the popular vote. If the gap in popular vote between the candidate in first place and the candidate in second place is = or more than
the 2% of the popular vote then the candidate in first place gets a bonus of 60 votes. Thus the President elect needs to get half of 591
votes.
Euroweenies aren't happy with the result. You dumb Americans better change things so you get an EU approved outcome.
 

cropbeye

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Euroweenies aren't happy with the result. You dumb Americans better change things so you get an EU approved outcome.
No its possible to put a moderate proposal especially as population of California and New York continue to grow. There must be a limit
to how sqewed the % of popular vote is in proportion to the electoral college. My wife is American and she surely is no dummy. Also in the example I offered Clinton would still have lost.
 

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