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Months on vehicle registration plates to even up sales.

Patrick Healy

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Many of you may be thinking or planning on buying a 191 car, tractor, truck or motorbike next January. The 1 and 2 at the end of the year was done originally in 2013 partially out of superstition and to encourage more sales in the middle of the year. Why not enhance it further and indicate the month of registration on the registration plate. When the vehicle is sold on there will be a more accurate indication of age for any buyers. The gardai revenue, local authorities and other agencies that deal with vehicles will have more accurate detail from each plate as well. Putting the month on the plate could even out sales through the year and lead to more sales in the months of June and December.
 


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Many of you may be thinking or planning on buying a 191 car, tractor, truck or motorbike next January. The 1 and 2 at the end of the year was done originally in 2013 partially out of superstition and to encourage more sales in the middle of the year. Why not enhance it further and indicate the month of registration on the registration plate. When the vehicle is sold on there will be a more accurate indication of age for any buyers. The gardai revenue, local authorities and other agencies that deal with vehicles will have more accurate detail from each plate as well. Putting the month on the plate could even out sales through the year and lead to more sales in the months of June and December.

Should be changed to something that does not show the age of the car, would encourage people to keep the car longer and there by reduce their carbon foot print.
 

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Many of you may be thinking or planning on buying a 191 car, tractor, truck or motorbike next January. The 1 and 2 at the end of the year was done originally in 2013 partially out of superstition and to encourage more sales in the middle of the year. Why not enhance it further and indicate the month of registration on the registration plate. When the vehicle is sold on there will be a more accurate indication of age for any buyers. The gardai revenue, local authorities and other agencies that deal with vehicles will have more accurate detail from each plate as well. Putting the month on the plate could even out sales through the year and lead to more sales in the months of June and December.
One can only hope not..

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Should be changed to something that does not show the age of the car, would encourage people to keep the car longer and there by reduce their carbon foot print.
+1

Imagine a law was brought in that required you to wear a label on your clothes showing how much it cost and how old it was. There is no justification for having the age of a car on the license plate, other than snobbery and encouraging wasteful sales of new cars, which is why the motor "industry" is so in favour of it. And of course, it goes without saying we are aping the Brits, right down to the twice yearly change. Nowhere else in the world does that as far as I know.
 
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Many of you may be thinking or planning on buying a 191 car, tractor, truck or motorbike next January. The 1 and 2 at the end of the year was done originally in 2013 partially out of superstition and to encourage more sales in the middle of the year. Why not enhance it further and indicate the month of registration on the registration plate. When the vehicle is sold on there will be a more accurate indication of age for any buyers. The gardai revenue, local authorities and other agencies that deal with vehicles will have more accurate detail from each plate as well. Putting the month on the plate could even out sales through the year and lead to more sales in the months of June and December.
Nonsense.

Much better to go back to the original Irish registration system that does not show the age of the vehicle, and which allowed a number to be transferred between vehicles (so an owner could keep a registration number across a number of vehicles).

All the authorities need is a unique index number for identification.
 

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People should be allowed buy personal plates. If individuals want to contribute hundreds of euros to the state for the vain satisfaction of a certain combination of letters and digits then fine. Take their money. Plus they're more memorable for witnesses when there are accidents.
 

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Imagine a law was brought in that required you to wear a label on your clothes showing how much it cost and how old it was. There is no justification for having the age of a car on the license plate, other than snobbery and encouraging wasteful sales of new cars, which is why the motor "industry" is so in favour of it. And of course, it goes without saying we are aping the Brits, right down to the twice yearly change. Nowhere else in the world does that as far as I know.
Its a disgusting insight to how much of "business" and "regulation" works in ireland.

There is no need for it and in a society not dominated by window twitchers it would be scrapped. In particular in one that imports each and every car on the road.
 

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Many of you may be thinking or planning on buying a 191 car, tractor, truck or motorbike next January. The 1 and 2 at the end of the year was done originally in 2013 partially out of superstition and to encourage more sales in the middle of the year. Why not enhance it further and indicate the month of registration on the registration plate. When the vehicle is sold on there will be a more accurate indication of age for any buyers. The gardai revenue, local authorities and other agencies that deal with vehicles will have more accurate detail from each plate as well. Putting the month on the plate could even out sales through the year and lead to more sales in the months of June and December.
Nonsense. At sale time the only thing that matters is the year. To a salesman 161 is the same as 162.
 

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Should be changed to something that does not show the age of the car, would encourage people to keep the car longer and there by reduce their carbon foot print.
It doesn't work and never has. Even in the pre annual numbering, potential buyers knew what year the plates were. The only people actively reflecting on their carbon footprints are those looking at the still over-priced electric cars.
 

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Nonsense. At sale time the only thing that matters is the year. To a salesman 161 is the same as 162.
Yep, the splitting of annual plate designation is more of a concern for dealers.
 

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Nonsense. At sale time the only thing that matters is the year. To a salesman 161 is the same as 162.
Not really. Most of the 161 cars would be in fact 2015 models while most (if not all) 162 are 2016 models. If you're looking for 2015 then go for 161, but if you're looking for a 2016 model car than look for 162 registrations.

BTW, I agree the year of the car should not be displayed on the plate. What's the purpose of that, rather than a snobbery?
 

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Last June I sold my 09 Volvo and bought an 07 BMW and pocketed 3 Grand thank you very much. I will never buy and a new car or go into debt to buy one ever again. Imagine going into debt to buy a depreciating asset, if you could even call it an asset. Utter lunacy.
 

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Having a Month Reg would generate a 4 digit prefix instead of a 3 digit as 199 went to 1910.
So moving to 191 - 194 for yearly quarters would be logical which is common in business terms.

It would reduce the length of number at the end to something more easily read.
Say 40,000 new cars are sold in a county: it would leave mostly 4 digit end numbers rather than very quickly reaching the 10,000 number.

I'm in favour.
 
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I like the German system. First one or two characters would be the city/county and then just a random jumble of letters and numbers which would be quite short in this country. If you buy a car second hand, and you live in a different county you can re-register it to show the new county as well. But, age of vehicle is not discernible from the plate.

Spain used to have a similar system to Germany, but curiously they switched to something that looks the same as the pre 1987 system here. The reason interestingly was to de-emphasise regional differences, which is obviously a political problem there.
 

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Many of you may be thinking or planning on buying a 191 car, tractor, truck or motorbike next January. The 1 and 2 at the end of the year was done originally in 2013 partially out of superstition and to encourage more sales in the middle of the year. Why not enhance it further and indicate the month of registration on the registration plate. When the vehicle is sold on there will be a more accurate indication of age for any buyers. The gardai revenue, local authorities and other agencies that deal with vehicles will have more accurate detail from each plate as well. Putting the month on the plate could even out sales through the year and lead to more sales in the months of June and December.
Meh, why not go to the day, hour, minute if that's your gripe? Much ado about nothing.
 

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It always amazed me how people go so far into debt to buy a motor. Its all bling bling and keeping up with the joneses. Keep within your means folks, anything else is a recipe for disaster. A new car is not essential. If you have to buy a car, stick within your means. You may have to drive a banger for a while, but so what?
 

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+1

Imagine a law was brought in that required you to wear a label on your clothes showing how much it cost and how old it was. There is no justification for having the age of a car on the license plate, other than snobbery and encouraging wasteful sales of new cars, which is why the motor "industry" is so in favour of it. And of course, it goes without saying we are aping the Brits, right down to the twice yearly change. Nowhere else in the world does that as far as I know.
We are not aping the Brits. Their licensing formats are no indication of the age unless you study the bloody thing. And who would do that? Upon purchasing second hand, age is useful to know though.
 

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It doesn't work and never has. Even in the pre annual numbering, potential buyers knew what year the plates were. The only people actively reflecting on their carbon footprints are those looking at the still over-priced electric cars.
In an ignorant way. Battery manufacture is very ecologically unfriendly.
 

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Last June I sold my 09 Volvo and bought an 07 BMW and pocketed 3 Grand thank you very much. I will never buy and a new car or go into debt to buy one ever again. Imagine going into debt to buy a depreciating asset, if you could even call it an asset. Utter lunacy.
I agree except with your purchase decision. You went from a post 08 car to a pre July 08 car. What has been the change in annual car tax? How quickly will your three grand be eaten up?
 


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