Mooted appointment of AG to judiciary a thundering disgrace?

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The tenure of Marie Whelan as AG has been mired in controversy. A Labour hack for years, she was apppinted AG in 2011 and in a bizarre move was reappointed by Enda Kenny in 2016.

It's being reported that Taoiseach elect Leo Varadakar is to replace her (not surprising considering her record to date) and it has been suggested she will be given a judicial position, in the Supreme Court of all places.

This AG took almost 6 months to alert Minister Shatter about the widespread nature of the recording of phone calls in and out of garda stations, she also did not contact the then commissioner, Mr Callinan, or ask anyone to do so on her behalf, to seek further explanation in relation to the tapes. The Fennelly report noted her advice in relation to this scandal was ultimately incorrect, and its “alarmist” nature was a factor in the circumstances which hours later led to then Garda commissioner Martin Callinan’s officially stated retirement.

Most shockingly, Máire Whelan was called to the Fennelly commission “at least four times” because her evidence directly contradicted some of her own statements and that of other key players in the investigation.

She was central in the establishment of a commission of inquiry into the Siteserv controversy that did not have the legal powers to do the job. The FG/Lab government were also found to have breached the McKenna judgement under her watch.

Is this really to be the callibre of person you want to see appointed to the highest court in the land?

Shocked AG failed to contact Shatter over secret recordings - Independent.ie
Enda Kenny urged to sack attorney general Máire Whelan | Irish Examiner
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-time-to-make-attorney-general-answerable-for-actions-1.2423493?mode=amp
Fintan O’Toole: Time to make Attorney General answerable for actions
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fennelly-told-ag-to-explain-contradictions-00n9nll68wg
Fennelly told AG to explain contradictions
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Máire_Whelan
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ag-whelan-may-face-attack-over-ibrc-legal-problems-1.2423437?mode=amp
AG Whelan may face attack over IBRC legal problems
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/whelan-faces-axe-as-attorney-general-7vvnw8tn8
Whelan faces axe as attorney-general
 
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I see no reason why Maire Whelan should be appointed to the Supreme Court. I see no reason why she should continue as Attorney General.

The only reason I can think of for such an appointment would be the main reason why anyone at that level gets appointed- 'keep yer mouth shut' money.
 

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This is Ireland, surely you can think off a very obvious reason ??? Political Establishment would be top of my list.
 

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I see no reason why Maire Whelan should be appointed to the Supreme Court. I see no reason why she should continue as Attorney General.

The only reason I can think of for such an appointment would be the main reason why anyone at that level gets appointed- 'keep yer mouth shut' money.
FG sources told the media the reason she was kept on by Kenny the last time was for gender balance at the cabinet table as the AG attends cabinet meetings , political correctness considerations tops merit every time these days in the public sector.

She was a very poor AG but as usual the way we deal with such people in Ireland is that we promote them out of the position.
 

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She should be tried by a Workers Tribunal and shot.
 
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FG sources told the media the reason she was kept on by Kenny the last time was for gender balance at the cabinet table as the AG attends cabinet meetings , political correctness considerations tops merit every time these days in the public sector.

She was a very poor AG but as usual the way we deal with such people in Ireland is that we promote them out of the position.
A poor AG seems somewhat of an understatement. We've had many able AG's who were never made judges let alone enjoy a SC position.
 

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Mind you it could be handy to have what passes for a liberal in Ireland on the Supreme Court.

It would annoy Ger no end come the day when we have the predicted 'O'Roe versus McWade ruling.

Other than that she could be appointed to the Liffey at low tide for all I care.
 

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There is no reason why she should not be appointed as a judge. She is - as AG - the most senior barrister. While gender is not critical in appointments- she will be replacing a female judge on the Supreme Court (who was simply superb as a high and Supreme Court judge).
 

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Most AGs were already leading goto barristers before their appointment.

afaik Ms Whelan was better known as a Labour activist.

There is a tradition that an outgoing AG is offered the first available High Court vacancy.

Would the Benchers be upset if Leo cast this tradition aside in this case? Record not great
 

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Left wing parties always appoint incompetent females. It is a counterbalance to everyone else appointing incompetent males.
 

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Most AGs were already leading goto barristers before their appointment.

afaik Ms Whelan was better known as a Labour activist.

There is a tradition that an outgoing AG is offered the first available High Court vacancy.

Would the Benchers be upset if Leo cast this tradition aside in this case? Record not great
If she's let near the SC that will be Leo making a political statement, which in those circumstances Leo is not supposed to do and for which. in the next GE, Leo will be punished.
 

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The tenure of Marie Whelan as AG has been mired in controversy. A Labour hack for years, she was apppinted AG in 2011 and in a bizarre move was reappointed by Enda Kenny in 2016.

It's being reported that Taoiseach elect Leo Varadakar is to replace her (not surprising considering her record to date) and it has been suggested she will be given a judicial position, in the Supreme Court of all places.

This AG took almost 6 months to alert Minister Shatter about the widespread nature of the recording of phone calls in and out of garda stations, she also did not contact the then commissioner, Mr Callinan, or ask anyone to do so on her behalf, to seek further explanation in relation to the tapes. The Fennelly report noted her advice in relation to this scandal was ultimately incorrect, and its “alarmist” nature was a factor in the circumstances which hours later led to then Garda commissioner Martin Callinan’s officially stated retirement.

Most shockingly, Máire Whelan was called to the Fennelly commission “at least four times” because her evidence directly contradicted some of her own statements and that of other key players in the investigation.

She was central in the establishment of a commission of inquiry into the Siteserv controversy that did not have the legal powers to do the job. The FG/Lab government were also found to have breached the McKenna judgement under her watch.

Is this really to be the callibre of person you want to see appointed to the highest court in the land?

Shocked AG failed to contact Shatter over secret recordings - Independent.ie
Enda Kenny urged to sack attorney general Máire Whelan | Irish Examiner
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-time-to-make-attorney-general-answerable-for-actions-1.2423493?mode=amp
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fennelly-told-ag-to-explain-contradictions-00n9nll68wg
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Máire_Whelan
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ag-whelan-may-face-attack-over-ibrc-legal-problems-1.2423437?mode=amp
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/whelan-faces-axe-as-attorney-general-7vvnw8tn8
Political appointees in the judiciary make a mockery of a Democracy and must end now.
 

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If she's let near the SC that will be Leo making a political statement, which in those circumstances Leo is not supposed to do and for which. in the next GE, Leo will be punished.
Leo has already hinted at leaving most female members of government in their present rolls, including MOJ Fitzgerald and AG Whelan.
 

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The tenure of Marie Whelan as AG has been mired in controversy. A Labour hack for years, she was apppinted AG in 2011 and in a bizarre move was reappointed by Enda Kenny in 2016.

It's being reported that Taoiseach elect Leo Varadakar is to replace her (not surprising considering her record to date) and it has been suggested she will be given a judicial position, in the Supreme Court of all places.

This AG took almost 6 months to alert Minister Shatter about the widespread nature of the recording of phone calls in and out of garda stations, she also did not contact the then commissioner, Mr Callinan, or ask anyone to do so on her behalf, to seek further explanation in relation to the tapes. The Fennelly report noted her advice in relation to this scandal was ultimately incorrect, and its “alarmist” nature was a factor in the circumstances which hours later led to then Garda commissioner Martin Callinan’s officially stated retirement.

Most shockingly, Máire Whelan was called to the Fennelly commission “at least four times” because her evidence directly contradicted some of her own statements and that of other key players in the investigation.

She was central in the establishment of a commission of inquiry into the Siteserv controversy that did not have the legal powers to do the job. The FG/Lab government were also found to have breached the McKenna judgement under her watch.

Is this really to be the callibre of person you want to see appointed to the highest court in the land?

Shocked AG failed to contact Shatter over secret recordings - Independent.ie
Enda Kenny urged to sack attorney general Máire Whelan | Irish Examiner
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-time-to-make-attorney-general-answerable-for-actions-1.2423493?mode=amp
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fennelly-told-ag-to-explain-contradictions-00n9nll68wg
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Máire_Whelan
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ag-whelan-may-face-attack-over-ibrc-legal-problems-1.2423437?mode=amp
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/whelan-faces-axe-as-attorney-general-7vvnw8tn8
There is no reason why she should not be appointed as a judge. She is - as AG - the most senior barrister. While gender is not critical in appointments- she will be replacing a female judge on the Supreme Court (who was simply superb as a high and Supreme Court judge).
I've outlined a number of reasons as to why she isn't qualified to sit on the highest court in Ireland, or any court for that matter.
 

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Mind you it could be handy to have what passes for a liberal in Ireland on the Supreme Court.

It would annoy Ger no end come the day when we have the predicted 'O'Roe versus McWade ruling.

Other than that she could be appointed to the Liffey at low tide for all I care.
Nah, seems I was very correct in that regard and the CA have dictated the direction now, a liberal regime cemented in the constitution.

I don't trust any lawyer who's had to revise and rewrite her/his testimony.
 

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The tenure of Marie Whelan as AG has been mired in controversy. A Labour hack for years, she was apppinted AG in 2011 and in a bizarre move was reappointed by Enda Kenny in 2016.

It's being reported that Taoiseach elect Leo Varadakar is to replace her (not surprising considering her record to date) and it has been suggested she will be given a judicial position, in the Supreme Court of all places.

This AG took almost 6 months to alert Minister Shatter about the widespread nature of the recording of phone calls in and out of garda stations, she also did not contact the then commissioner, Mr Callinan, or ask anyone to do so on her behalf, to seek further explanation in relation to the tapes. The Fennelly report noted her advice in relation to this scandal was ultimately incorrect, and its “alarmist” nature was a factor in the circumstances which hours later led to then Garda commissioner Martin Callinan’s officially stated retirement.

Most shockingly, Máire Whelan was called to the Fennelly commission “at least four times” because her evidence directly contradicted some of her own statements and that of other key players in the investigation.

She was central in the establishment of a commission of inquiry into the Siteserv controversy that did not have the legal powers to do the job. The FG/Lab government were also found to have breached the McKenna judgement under her watch.

Is this really to be the callibre of person you want to see appointed to the highest court in the land?

Shocked AG failed to contact Shatter over secret recordings - Independent.ie
Enda Kenny urged to sack attorney general Máire Whelan | Irish Examiner
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-time-to-make-attorney-general-answerable-for-actions-1.2423493?mode=amp
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fennelly-told-ag-to-explain-contradictions-00n9nll68wg
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Máire_Whelan
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ag-whelan-may-face-attack-over-ibrc-legal-problems-1.2423437?mode=amp
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/whelan-faces-axe-as-attorney-general-7vvnw8tn8
There is a tradition of the AG getting first dibs on certainly a High Court vacancy, not sure about the SC though. In any event, in the case of Whelan, tradition should be cast aside.
 

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There is a tradition of the AG getting first dibs on certainly a High Court vacancy, not sure about the SC though. In any event, in the case of Whelan, tradition should be cast aside.
McDowell, Rogers, Gallagher, Brady, Byrne, Gleeson, Fitzimmons etc. In fact the last 6 AG's before the current AG were not appointed to the Bench.
 

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McDowell, Rogers, Gallagher, Brady, Byrne, Gleeson, Fitzimmons etc. In fact the last 6 AG's before the current AG were not appointed to the Bench.
Why did you stop at Fitzsimons? :) If you went one further back, you get to Harry Whelehan and he did go to the bench, an appointment which didn't last long and caused all sorts of pandemonium. Whelehans predecessor Murray ended up on the Supreme Court. There are others before him, Declan Costello and Anthony Hederman to name two who ended up on the bench.

For those other AGs perhaps there were no vacancies or they passed it up. McDowell ran for the Dail and became Justice Minister and eventually Tanaiste. I am sure that some like Suds found private business more lucrative.
 


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