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More porn=less sex crimes, should porn be a human right like food?

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It is becoming apparent that porn, far from being harmful , may indeed be a good thing. So if porn is associated with lower sex crimes, perhaps we need to have more porn. Indeed it could be argued that access to porn should become a human right.

What do people think of porn - and how , as a society, we deal with it ? Should people on the dole be given free porn ? SHould doctors be allowed to prescribe porn ? Is access to porn a human right ?

Porn: Good for us? - The Scientist - Magazine of the Life Sciences
Scientific examination of the subject has found that as the use of porn increases, the rate of sex crimes goes down.

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But what do the data say? Over the years, many scientists have investigated the link between pornography (considered legal under the First Amendment in the United States unless judged “obscene”) and sex crimes and attitudes towards women. And in every region investigated, researchers have found that as pornography has increased in availability, sex crimes have either decreased or not increased.
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Adapted from “Pornography, Public Acceptance and Sex Related Crime: A Review,” Int J Law Psychiatry, 32:304–14, 2009. Pacific Center for Sex and Society - Pornography, Public Acceptance and Sex Related Crime: A Review

Milton Diamond is a professor in the department of anatomy, biochemistry and physiology at the University of Hawaii and director of the Pacific Center for Sex and Society.

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Presumably the logic being, Cyb, that watching pornography leads to self gratification thus reducing the inclination to find another human in which to gratify oneself, willing or otherwise?
 

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Your missus caught you ********************ing and you tried to tell her you were exercising your human rights?
 

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Ted Bundy interview

Ultimatley this interview never aired because Bundy describes his addiction to sex and mass murder stemming initally from soft porn usage.

Part 1

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDyBkEnBHJk&feature=related"]YouTube- Ted Bundy Final Interview - Part One[/ame]
 

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Presumably the logic being, Cyb, that watching pornography leads to self gratification thus reducing the inclination to find another human in which to gratify oneself, willing or otherwise?
There's a correlation - and what causes it is unclear

Though at the least it is becoming apparent, that on average , porn is not harmful

Now if eating is a human right: is consuming porn ?

@sondagefaux
That argument would likely lead to clipped ears ;)

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The west is a-wash in porn and incidence rates for sex crimes have been on the rise for decades.The premise of this OP would appear to be back to front.
 

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It is becoming apparent that porn, far from being harmful , may indeed be a good thing.
How is it 'becoming apparent'? Because you found one study which seemed to indicate that? If you wanted, you could find any number of studies which indicate the opposite. The effect - if any - which porn has on sexual violence has always been very contentious. I doubt this latest study is in any way definitive.

Indeed it could be argued that access to porn should become a human right.
Indeed it could not.
 

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Bundy interview part deux:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy3y7O98Udc&feature=related"]YouTube- Ted Bundy Final Interview - Part Two[/ame]
 

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Bundy Part 3:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVV6-ThQ5MI&feature=related"]YouTube- Ted Bundy Final Interview - Part Three[/ame]
 

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Ultimatley this interview never aired because Bundy describes his addiction to sex and mass murder stemming initally from soft port usage.
Ted Bundy was exhibiting psychotic behaviour from the age of three. He never even mentioned the porn angle before this interview (which happened to be conducted by an anti-porn crusader) and none of the accounts I have read of his life and crimes takes it seriously as a factor in his pathology.
 

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How is it 'becoming apparent'? Because you found one study which seemed to indicate that? If you wanted, you could find any number of studies which indicate the opposite. The effect - if any - which porn has on sexual violence has always been very contentious. I doubt this latest study is in any way definitive.
That study referenced several others:

F. M. Christensen, Pornography: The Other Side. New York: Praeger, 1990.
M. Diamond, “The Effects of Pornography: An International Perspective,” in Pornography 101: Eroticism, Sexuality and the First Amendment, J. Elias et al., eds., Amherst, NY: Prometheus Press, 1999, pp. 223–60.
M.J. Goldstein, H.S. Kant, Pornography and Sexual Deviance. A Report of the Legal and Behavioral Institute, Berkeley: University of California Press, 1973.
R. Green, “Variant Forms of Human Sexual Behaviour,” in Reproduction in Mammals. Book 8, Human Sexuality, C. Auston & R. Short eds., Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1980, pp. 68–97.
B. Kutchinsky, “Pornography and Rape: Theory and Practice? Evidence from Crime Data in Four Countries Where Pornography is Easily Available.” Int J Law Psychiatry, 14:47-64, 1991.
M. Popovic, “Establishing New Breeds of (Sex) Offenders: Science or Political Control?” Sexual and Relationship Therapy, 22:255–71, 2007.
N. Strossen, “The Perils of Pornophobia,” The Humanist, 55:7–9, 1995.
E. Tovar, et al. “Effects of Pornography on Sexual Offending,” Porn 101: Eroticism, Sexuality and the First Amendment, J. Elias et al., eds., Amherst, NY: Prometheus Press, 261–78, 1999.


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Ted Bundy was exhibiting psychotic behaviour from the age of three. He never even mentioned the porn angle before this interview (which happened to be conducted by an anti-porn crusader) and none of the accounts I have read of his life and crimes takes it seriously as a factor in his pathology.
The man was 1 day away from execution and had nothing to loose or gain.This interview is a final un-burdening if you will and Bundy comes across as very erudite and ordinary.There is nothing contrived here much as you might hate to believe that.
 

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How is it 'becoming apparent'? Because you found one study which seemed to indicate that? If you wanted, you could find any number of studies which indicate the opposite. The effect - if any - which porn has on sexual violence has always been very contentious. I doubt this latest study is in any way definitive.
It's actually not that contentious. Studies dating back to the Nixon Administration have found no evidence between porn and violence. I studied this in university in the '90s and most of the research available then said the same. Those studies which do suggest otherwise are invariably conducted by people with an ideological axe to grind, either from a religious or feminist angle.
 

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Here's a novel idea. Get off your arse and go out and meet someone. Fall in love and have sex. No need for porn.
And if you feel like you should violate another person's body against their will as a result of the absense of porn than there is something wrong with you and you should be locked up.
 

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The man was 1 day away from execution and had nothing to loose or gain.This interview is a final un-burdening if you will and Bundy comes across as very erudite and ordinary.There is nothing contrived here much as you might hate to believe that.
Bundy was a psychopath - and psychopaths are knaves

As you say he was intelligent and learned - thus he could have been trying to demonise porn in order to cause more sex crimes

In any case I wouldn't be giving much weight to the opinions of a convicted psychopath

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Yeah the standard of discussion on P.ie has really improved of late...
 

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Those studies which do suggest otherwise are invariably conducted by people with an ideological axe to grind, either from a religious or feminist angle.
And are you satisfied that none of the authors of studies suggesting no link between porn and violence have no agenda of their own?
 

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The Link Between Pornography
And Violent Sex Crimes


Introduction
What prompted this article was the publication in 2003 of the book, “Sex-Related Homicide and Death Investigation” (CRC Press), by Vernon Geberth, a retired NYPD Lieutenant Commander of the Bronx homicide squad who is a nationally renowned homicide investigator.
I learned about the book through an article by David Marzulli, “Ex-cop’s gloomy on crime – Serial slays rising” (N.Y. Daily News, 10/15/03). What caught my attention in Marzulli’s article were his observation that “Geberth argues that the Internet plays a significant role in the proliferation of…attacks” and these quotes from Geberth’s book:
“ ‘The sex-related cases I am encountering today [as a consultant] are more frequent, vicious and despicable than what I ever experienced as a homicide cop.’”
According to the Times article, Mr. Pierce founded the NYPD’s Criminal Assessment and Profiling Unit and was trained in psychological profiling by the FBI.
Since I was aware of an FBI study of 36 serial killers conducted in the 1980s, which revealed that 29 of these killers were attracted to pornography and incorporated it into their criminal sexual activity, including serial rape-murder,
http://www.obscenitycrimes.org/news/Pornography-SexCrimes-Link-RWP.pdf
 

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Bundy comes across as very erudite and ordinary.
Well of course he does. The ability to make himself appear a normal, intelligent, well-mannered young man was precisely what enabled him to lure women into vulnerable situations where he could torture and kill them.

Seems they're not the only ones he's managed to fool with his charms.
 


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