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More stupidity from Ireland's "true" government


Ren84

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An ongoing security alert is in place in Derry City after two men were arrested after being stopped by the police. A suspicious device is said to have been found. What is wrong with these people. Obviously it is the work of dissident republicans. Can they not see such acts only make it harder for mainstream republicans and nationalists to further their goals of greening NI, introducing pro Irish policies and ultimately bringing about a UI? Stupid.

Two arrested in Derry after device found - RTÉ News
 


likesfish

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You are all traitors to the true ireland:roll:

If you think like that you can justify anything
 

cricket

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Thank God those headers who declare allegiance to an oath sworn in a haggard in the 1920's are reeking with informers and well done to the PSNI for their actions. Who knows what misery has been averted by their actions.
 

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@Ren84,

I trust you think that murder is wrong, whether or not it harms the cause of a united Ireland - that life is more fundamental than the demarcation of border between two similar, democratic jurisdictions.

May I suggest you modify your OP slightly to reflect this? Otherwise, it is possible to make an uncharitable reading of OP, interpreting it as saying that the main problem with Dissident killings is that they harm the cause of a united Ireland. No, to me the main problem with Dissident killings are the deaths themselves, together with the danger that they lead to more killings in retaliation.
 

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An ongoing security alert is in place in Derry City after two men were arrested after being stopped by the police. A suspicious device is said to have been found. What is wrong with these people. Obviously it is the work of dissident republicans. Can they not see such acts only make it harder for mainstream republicans and nationalists to further their goals of greening NI, introducing pro Irish policies and ultimately bringing about a UI? Stupid.

Two arrested in Derry after device found - RTÉ News
Dissident republicanism never really focuses on public opinion, the priority is Brits out first (then presumably everything will be coming up roses and everyone will live happily ever after... :roll:). Not a lot of things are thought through.
 
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Dissident republicanism never really focuses on public opinion, the priority is Brits out first (then presumably everything will be coming up roses and everyone will live happily ever after... :roll:). Not a lot of things are thought through.
Irish republicanism is dissident. SF are just nationalists these days having given up on republicanism but don't like to admit they were wrong for all those violent years.
 

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Irish republicanism is dissident. SF are just nationalists these days having given up on republicanism but don't like to admit they were wrong for all those violent years.


Change the record ya sad git.
 

Septic Frank

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Dissident republicanism never really focuses on public opinion, the priority is Brits out first (then presumably everything will be coming up roses and everyone will live happily ever after... :roll:). Not a lot of things are thought through.
Imagine they succeeded? Sh1t! Sure the Brits would be gone but then the loons would want a seat at the government table!
 

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I agree with the general sentiment of your post. However..

Can they not see such acts only make it harder for mainstream republicans and nationalists to further their goals of greening NI....
The long term effect of 'greening' in the six counties would be catastrophic with regards Irish unity. Dressing a british controlled statelet up in Irish garments would do little more than divert a substantial amount of the nationalist community away from the reality of the situation.

The greening of the six counties would achieve more for normalisation than it would ever be capable of for the cause of unity. It's certainly not something that will further republican aspirations, it's a hindrance if anything.
 

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Irish republicanism is dissident. SF are just nationalists these days having given up on republicanism but don't like to admit they were wrong for all those violent years.
Irish republicanism is dissident. SF are just nationalists these days having given up on republicanism but don't like to admit they were wrong for all those violent years.
You might think by SF's renouncement of violence that they are admitting that the violence was all in vain. However, they don't hold this view.

Their view is slightly more nuanced. They believe that violence of the past was necessary and it brought them as far as it has but it's now time for a purely political approach.

I know, sad, but there ya go!
 

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I agree with the general sentiment of your post. However..



The long term effect of 'greening' in the six counties would be catastrophic with regards Irish unity. Dressing a british controlled statelet up in Irish garments would do little more than divert a substantial amount of the nationalist community away from the reality of the situation.

The greening of the six counties would achieve more for normalisation than it would ever be capable of for the cause of unity. It's certainly not something that will further republican aspirations, it's a hindrance if anything.
I disagree. It would change the mindset of the people of NI, and present Irishness as the true unifying thread across the island. In time as more and more see themselves as Irish, and a SF hopefully at the head of government in both jurisdictions they can push for further integration of the two polities, and promote unification amongst the people.
 

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Irish republicanism is dissident.
That first bit is correct.

The word dissident has come to be used as a derogatory term, when it's actual definition means to challenge a particular doctrine, establishment or institution. If you are opposed to partition, for example, you are a dissident in the truest sense of the word.
 

Ren84

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That first bit is correct.

The word dissident has come to be used as a derogatory term, when it's actual definition means to challenge a particular doctrine, establishment or institution. If you are opposed to partition, for example, you are a dissident in the truest sense of the word.
I would regard idiots like CR as dissidents in that they are a minority dissenting from the majority view of a unified independent Irish state.
 

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I would regard idiots like CR as dissidents in that they are a minority dissenting from the majority view of a unified independent Irish state.
My dear ranty you are to be commended for having the bare faced effrontery to consider anyone as being an idiot...
 

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It would change the mindset of the people of NI
It most definitely would but I don't think it would be for the better.

In time as more and more see themselves as Irish, and a SF hopefully at the head of government in both jurisdictions they can push for further integration of the two polities, and promote unification amongst the people.
My view is that it would lead to middle of the road nationalists becoming depoliticised. There's a reason the british government have been trying to achieve normalisation, and it's certainly not because they share our desires for a thirty-two county socialist republic.

Making the illegitimate 'Northern Ireland' statelet more palatable to nationalists would increase the amount of people who see themselves as 'Northern Irish'. It's important that we remember that the struggle is about national sovereignty and independence, not street names and flags.
 
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An ongoing security alert is in place in Derry City after two men were arrested after being stopped by the police. A suspicious device is said to have been found. What is wrong with these people. Obviously it is the work of dissident republicans. Can they not see such acts only make it harder for mainstream republicans and nationalists to further their goals of greening NI, introducing pro Irish policies and ultimately bringing about a UI? Stupid.

Two arrested in Derry after device found - RTÉ News
British Army bomb experts were called to examine a suspicious object found in the vehicle at Northland Road in the city.
That is an awful lot to build an OP on; indeed, the wordcount in your OP is far more than the linked report.
 

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It most definitely would but I don't think it would be for the better.



My view is that it would lead to middle of the road nationalists becoming depoliticised. There's a reason the british government have been trying to achieve normalisation, and it's certainly not because they share our desires for a thirty-two county socialist republic.

Making the illegitimate 'Northern Ireland' statelet more palatable to nationalists would increase the amount of people who see themselves as 'Northern Irish'. It's important that we remember that the struggle is about national sovereignty and independence, not street names and flags.
What do you suggest, a return to British direct rule and the dissidents taking pot shots at the police?
 

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