MORGAN KELLY - ARTICLE - is this what he is predicting?

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If you thought the bank bailout was bad, wait until the mortgage defaults hit home - The Irish Times - Mon, Nov 08, 2010

"As ordinary people start to realise that this thing is not only happening, it is happening to them, we can see anxiety giving way to the first upwellings of an inchoate rage and despair that will transform Irish politics along the lines of the Tea Party in America. Within five years, both Civil War parties are likely to have been brushed aside by a hard right, anti-Europe, anti-Traveller party that, inconceivable as it now seems, will leave us nostalgic for the, usually, harmless buffoonery of Biffo, Inda, and their chums."

AND TODAY WE HAVE SEEN:

New alliance set to threaten status quo | BreakingNews.ie

My question:

Could this be the start of a change as predicted to happen in five years time by Morgan Kelly last week?
 


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They want an election, not mass mortgage default. I fail to see the connection ..

Edit - Oh I see now. Sorry I didn't read your post properly ..
 

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No he talks about the hard right. The merry band you linked to only have one person who has been elected beyond councillor. The projected 20 seats is in keeping with the way we do estimates in this country. 2 seats is a more realistic target. Both SF and Labour might be concerned at this development as it would split the vote on the left. In Labour's case that could be enough to prevent them getting a lot of extra seats in Dublin.
 

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They want an election, not mass mortgage default. I fail to see the connection ..

Edit - Oh I see now. Sorry I didn't read your post properly ..
Well if you read the breaking news article you would have read

"The United Left Alliance (ULA), which includes the Socialist Party and the People Before Profit Alliance, has said it wants to provide an alternative to the main political parties."
 

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My question:

Could this be the start of a change as predicted to happen in five years time by Morgan Kelly last week?
No.

The Left Alliance would the polar opposite of a hard right jingoistic party like the Tea Party movement. Totally different ideologies.
 

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about time whe had a left block in thsi country let's hope they do well so we can get a fresh persepctive on things in the shame house that is the Dail.
 

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If you thought the bank bailout was bad, wait until the mortgage defaults hit home - The Irish Times - Mon, Nov 08, 2010

"As ordinary people start to realise that this thing is not only happening, it is happening to them, we can see anxiety giving way to the first upwellings of an inchoate rage and despair that will transform Irish politics along the lines of the Tea Party in America. Within five years, both Civil War parties are likely to have been brushed aside by a hard right, anti-Europe, anti-Traveller party that, inconceivable as it now seems, will leave us nostalgic for the, usually, harmless buffoonery of Biffo, Inda, and their chums."

AND TODAY WE HAVE SEEN:

New alliance set to threaten status quo | BreakingNews.ie

My question:

Could this be the start of a change as predicted to happen in five years time by Morgan Kelly last week?
If you read Kelly's article he said a new right wing party, not the joke that is Joe Higgins and his handful of supporters in the ULA.
 

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why dont you piss off to alabama or some kip like that and play youre banjo.maybe you could tell palin the difference between nth and sth korea.
 

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What Kelly was referring to was that there will be a rise in the hard-right, anti-Europe (not far-right). And he is once more correct. If things don't improve under the left (and they are unlikely to do due to the amount of permanent damage this FF by themselves and this coalition have done) then it is very probable there will be a swing to the hard right. I would guess FF or some version of FF coming back draped in the Green flag.
 

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The main thrust of the piece - a more extremist option at the fringes of centrist politics, be that left or right - is interesting, but it's not happening. There is too much naval gazing, too many people too preoccupied with saving what little they have, too many people still employed (!!) and clinging for dear life to the income they've managed to preserve.

The prospects for a left-leaning alliance are decent, there will be gains for socialists and for lefties generally, but there will be insufficient agreement amongst them to represent anything cohesive. On the right, you could see Catholic groups (and money!) forming a significant alternative as a moral voice, a "right thinking" party that stands for decency, respect and fairness, in an attempt to reclaim their authority in the country. You could also see angry euro skepticism fused with xenophobia, though it's never been as significant an issue on this island, save the odd skirmish between prods and taigues.

I can't really see it. But what might be interesting is a centrist alternative, with a fresh voice that does not talk policy, but leadership; one that is aspirational rather than atavistic; one that represents a vision - or simply that presents a vision - of what Ireland can be!
 

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On the right, you could see Catholic groups (and money!) forming a significant alternative as a moral voice, a "right thinking" party that stands for decency, respect and fairness, in an attempt to reclaim their authority in the country. You could also see angry euro skepticism fused with xenophobia, though it's never been as significant an issue on this island, save the odd skirmish between prods and taigues.
Spot on, amazing that this hasn't happened already unless those that might are afraid of what they could be creating.
 

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If you thought the bank bailout was bad, wait until the mortgage defaults hit home - The Irish Times - Mon, Nov 08, 2010

"As ordinary people start to realise that this thing is not only happening, it is happening to them, we can see anxiety giving way to the first upwellings of an inchoate rage and despair that will transform Irish politics along the lines of the Tea Party in America. Within five years, both Civil War parties are likely to have been brushed aside by a hard right, anti-Europe, anti-Traveller party that, inconceivable as it now seems, will leave us nostalgic for the, usually, harmless buffoonery of Biffo, Inda, and their chums."

AND TODAY WE HAVE SEEN:

New alliance set to threaten status quo | BreakingNews.ie

My question:

Could this be the start of a change as predicted to happen in five years time by Morgan Kelly last week?
No, but this should not be any surprise to us. When those on the liberal left are predicting strife and anarchy they usually turn to 'the right' to look for bogeymen beating up travellers, immigrants and people with ginger hair or no hair or some combination of the lot.

Instead we invariably get a motley crew of leftie loonies, leg-breakers and extremists throwing shapes and smashing up anything that attracts their ire.

Unable to call it as it is - street violence by roving gangs of red guards - Kelly and his type cannot bring themselves to admit that the reaction will come from people who graduate from throwing paint to petrol bombs to blowing up people under the guise their particular version of socialist republican somethingorother.

The language used in this diatribe, if further illustration was needed, shows that his nauseating version of history is deeply rooted in that violent strand of European nihilism that is now stalking our streets under the guise of protest.
 

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If you read Kelly's article he said a new right wing party, not the joke that is Joe Higgins and his handful of supporters in the ULA.
Would you agree with MK's characterisation of the TP movement in the US?

Are they (the Tea Party):

an upwelling of an inchoate rage and despair which has transformed US poitics?

Would the Irish TP reflection which MK predicts be:

a hard right, anti-Europe, anti-Traveller party
Or is MK talking thtough his hat on this particular issue?
 

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Would you agree with MK's characterisation of the TP movement in the US?

Are they (the Tea Party):

an upwelling of an inchoate rage and despair which has transformed US poitics?

Would the Irish TP reflection which MK predicts be:



Or is MK talking thtough his hat on this particular issue?
Kelly has a better record than most in the prediction game though still don't get what he meant by anti Traveller sentiment. Has he explained that?
 

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The Tea Party is basiclly a gathering of rich old buffoons scared of losing Medicare, so making sure that people younger and worse off would lose their Welfare instead.

The Tea Party would be cheerleading for Biffo is they were here.

This "Left Alliance" seems to me to be a gathering of the usual suspects.

I almost vomited when I saw the ICTU gravely decrying the state of the country. Those bozos are as much to blame as the bankers - they took the Fianna Fail shilling when they accepted Benchmarking, now they can bloody well follow the drum.

Actually, I think the Irish Tea Party will be Fianna Fail. Watch them in opposition cast around desperately for relevance. They can hardly attack their own 4-year plan or harsh budgets. So soft targets will be in order - scapegoats like immigrants, values issues like blasphemy, law and order, big promises to the grey vote and defenders of the public service. ICTU might change their tune - Fianna Fail in opposition have NEVER cared about country before party.
 


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